Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Jonathan Stewart The Most Elusive Rb In The Nfl?

jtnc

By jtnc,
in Carolina Panthers

Recommended Posts

jtnc Newbie

jtnc

Posted
Posted

Jonathan+Stewart+Minnesota+Vikings+v+Carolina+ZBG3pvfxORRl.jpg

LeSean McCoy and Jones-Drew both posted 58 total missed tackles forced and Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch was only one behind with 57, but perhaps the most impressive mark was from Jonathan Stewart of the Panthers. Stewart only carried the ball 142 times (less than half of the carries of some of the players ahead of him, but he forced 32 missed tackles as a runner and added another 20 on his receptions for a total of 52. The Panthers have brought in Mike Tolbert in free agency this year to potentially replace Stewart if they can’t lock him down long-term, but they may not fully appreciate exactly how capable he is of making plays independent of the blocking in front of him. If Stewart makes it to the open market next offseason, he may not be in line for big money given the way running backs are viewed in today’s league, but he will make a huge impact wherever he ends up.

http://www.profootba...elusive-rating/

Don't trade him. :(

This post has been promoted to an article

Link to comment
Share on other sites
unicar15 Experienced

unicar15

Posted
Posted

He will be the best running back free agent on the market next year and we will get nothing for him. Unless the plan is to resign him and let Deangelo walk then he needs to be traded for a high 2nd round pick or a low 1st rounder. I really wouldn't be surprised if Denver decides to go for broke and trades us their 1st round pick so they can get a running game in there for Peyton. It would be the best possible decision for them IMO with two bookend offensive tackles, a really talented receiver, and a great top to bottom defense. The only thing they are lacking is a great running game....Stewart would give them that.

Take Coples and DeCastro in the first round with those two picks...game over.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PantherBrew Newbie

PantherBrew

Posted
Posted

I would take a 1st or 2nd in a heart beat.

We can not b/c over attached to our players.

Wish Hurney would learn that.

Me too.

That is how you build teams.

But, I don't see us trading him.

I think we let the season play out, and make him an offer.

I hate to say it, Stew might have a serious injury this season, and that would have us locked up in a another long term deal on a position that has been devalued.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MadHatter Rookie

MadHatter

Posted
Posted

Me too.

That is how you build teams.

But, I don't see us trading him.

I think we let the season play out, and make him an offer.

I hate to say it, Stew might have a serious injury this season, and that would have us locked up in a another long term deal on a position that has been devalued.

I would LOVE to keep Stew. hell, I would drop DWill in a heartbeat to keep him. However, DWill's contract is a done deal. The cap hit is too extreme to cut or trade him. In addition, I just don't see how we can invest that much Cap Space into teh RB position and be able to invest in other areas of the team.

Like it or not, this situation was pretty much decided the day that DWill signed.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MadHatter Rookie

MadHatter

Posted
Posted

hurney will lock him down. its not about being emotionally invested in this case, its about locking down a 25-year-old human bowling ball.

I think investing over $16m per year in Cap Space to the RB position will be EXRTREMELY difficult for this team to do. But, I have no idea what their plan is.

Still think he is traded before draft day, but I am wrong at least 50% of the time.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
PantherBrew Newbie

PantherBrew

Posted
Posted

I would LOVE to keep Stew. hell, I woudl drop DWill in a heartbeat to keep him. However, DWill's contract is a done deal. The cap hit is too extreme to cut or trade him. In addition, I just don't see how we can invest that much Cap Space into teh RB position and be able to invest in other areas of the team.

Like it or not, this situation was pretty much decided the day that DWill signed.

Yeah, that would be a lot of cap space. But, I get we are assuming Hurney and Rivera's plans are aligned with the rest of the league, as far as passing and devaluing the RB position.

I am not saying that its right or wrong, but it seems to be that the we are trying to transcend the league with Cam and a new style offense.

Maybe this is what they are thinking, but maybe Stew gets traded on draft day, or maybe he walks.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
CRA Grand Master

CRA

Posted
Posted

hurney will lock him down. its not about being emotionally invested in this case, its about locking down a 25-year-old human bowling ball.

Can't spend that money in the backfield. Too much. Hurts ability to build the rest of your roster. Don't forget they will be looking to pay Cam likely the next year as well.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites
MHS831 Grand Master

MHS831

Posted
Posted

Yeah, that would be a lot of cap space. But, I get we are assuming Hurney and Rivera's plans are aligned with the rest of the league, as far as passing and devaluing the RB position.

I am not saying that its right or wrong, but it seems to be that the we are trying to transcend the league with Cam and a new style offense.

Maybe this is what they are thinking, but maybe Stew gets traded on draft day, or maybe he walks.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I see your point, but even if Tolbert was not on the roster, Hatter is right--$16 million-That is $1 million per game--for 20 carries? That means every time Stew or DWill run the ball, they are paid $50,000. That comes to $10,000 per yard gained during a good year.

People on here (not you) think they can have everything. They fail to consider the fact that keeping 3 RBs at nearly $20 million takes away from other positions. You gotta spread the wealth.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
panthers55 Grand Master

panthers55

Posted
Posted

If Stewart is not here it won't be because Hurney didn't try and sign him, it will because Stewart wants to go elsewhere. It is Stewart who is supposedly not negotiating. Tolbert was brought in because Stewart wouldn't negotiate from what I can tell. Could we keep both of them? I think so. Williams will count around 8 million cap space next year (4.75 million salary). Stewart will count his prorated signing bonus next year and a nominal salary which is very typical the first year of a contract. If it was like William's contract he will cost 3.2 million in prorated signing bonus and likely 1.5 million in salary. His will be backloaded while WIlliams was somewhat front loaded. So between them it will likely be roughly 13 million. With Tolbert it will be 15 million. How is that much different than this year where Williams costs 8.5 million cap space, Stewart is 2.6 million and Tolbert is 2 million? So we can afford 13 million this year but can't afford 15 million next year??

The reality is that if we can't afford them next year, we can't afford them this year. I think we can afford them this year and can do so again next year. With the increased cap space in 2014 and likelihood that Wiliams will be done in a few years, it makes keeping Stewart both very doable but desirable. If he isn't here it will be by his own making not Hurney's.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • TD alt
      C Mc. Gotta love this guy!!

      By TD alt · Posted

      In my opinion Fitterer was probably right about not paying McCaffrey. Now not wanting to "pay RBs" in my opinion isn't something you want to set in stone, to me it all comes down to the individual.
    • TD alt
      Scourton isn't signed (& apparently it's a thing)

      By TD alt · Posted

      Maybe I'm just not understanding, but everywhere that I have read says that signing bonuses go against the cap prorated by as much as five years. The following example uses Andrew Luck's rookie contract as an example. "Take Andrew Luck, the first overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft. Luck signed a four-year contract with the Colts worth $22.1 million and included a $14.5 million signing bonus. Rather than a $14.5 million cap hit in 2012, the Colts spread out his signing bonus over the life of his contract. The hit against the cap would be $3.625 million per year over four years instead of a direct cap hit of $14.5 million directly in 2012. This gave the Colts more leverage and cap flexibility in signing other players." https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-signing-bonuses-explained/ I don't know why some of you think that signing bonuses aren't counted against the cap over the length of the contract, but whatever.   "The bonus with a signing is usually the most garish aspect of a rookie contract. Bonus is the immediate cash players receive when they ink a deal. It factors into the cap, but only for the whole contract duration, in terms of salary cap calculations. In the case of Bryce Young’s $24.6 million signing bonus, that’s prorated to approximately $6.15 million per season over a four-year deal. This format allows teams to handle the cap and provides rookies with some short-term fiscal stability, which is important given the high injury risk in this league." https://collegefootballnetwork.com/how-rookie-contracts-work-in-the-nfl/ I understand how signing bonuses can be a useful tool in order to manage the cap, and as one of the article suggests, signing bonuses may become important if you have a tight cap, but the bill is always going to come due. I'm not necessarily referring to you Tuka, but it seems to me that others simply don't want to understand that fact which is why they're reacting to what I'm saying negatively. How odd. In any event, I have a better general understanding of why signing bonuses are used now, and it's generally to fit salaries under the cap. Surely players, whether they be rookies or not, love a signing bonus because they get a good portion of their money up front. This in turn gives them more security and probably amounts to tax benefits as well. I also understand why teams would not want to use signing bonuses, particularly for players or draftees who have a higher probability of being gone before a contract even ends.
    • jfra78
      Are all veterinarians this greedy ?

      By jfra78 · Posted

      Get any shot you can at humane society, so much cheaper
×
×
  • Create New...