Panthers Will Not Take A Dt In The First Round

[Kuech Da Sneak]

That's a HUGE reach for Gilmore.

Not really. Mayock himself said Gilmore has top 10 talent, and should go in the top 15.

Dude is a 6'1 corner with 4.4 flat speed and 31 inch arms. Has a knack for taking the ball at the top of routes too.

He got burned a few times his first year starting, but he corrected that this past year.

He's physical at the line, and can disrupt before the route even starts.

Better than Kirkpatrick by far.

I still dunno about taking him at 9, but he has the talent to justify it. I'd rather have Kuechley than Gilmore if he's available though.

[jtnc]

Why the hell would you move Beason to the outside? He feels more comfortable playing MLB and you get more out of him.

[JawnyBlaze]

I don't want to move Beast. It didn't work the last time we tried to do it and beason is on record saying he doesn,t like playing olb.

Why the hell would you move Beason to the outside? He feels more comfortable playing MLB and you get more out of him.

why would you kick Beason to the outside, we tried that already and it didnt work that good. he is at best at MLB. Luke will have to play OLB, if Beason is back healthy.

Exactly.

[MHS831]

As an avid fan albeit non X and O detail guy I have followed conventional wisdom in thinking that the primary need for this team is an interior dl presence that can control the line of scrimmage. I think this point is valid but the immediate leap to the conclusion that we should draft a defensive tackle in the first round is not. I am not convinced that Brockers, Cox, or Poe are great enough to be able to step into the lineup and make an impact greater than the guys that are currently under contract.

That said I think if there is not a trade we will pick Coples, Ingramas much as I don't like it Decastro or possible dark horse/reach Stephen Gilmore (2 cb in draft by nfl.com)

Tear it up...

I agree. Nick Fairley had several of the same questions and he fell to the middle of the first--he was rated higher than these guys. I think Coples has the same question marks--We are not going to gamble with this pick. In addition, I do not see CB after Claiborne, who will be gone. So, who is left?

Keuchly

Ingram

De Castro

Reiff

Floyd

We seem committed to going defense in the first--we are signing free agent OL and we have shown interest in thrid day WRs. Haviing said that, I think Ingram and Keuchly are atop the board. owever, I think we will try to trade down. Unfortunately, I do not see much of a market for it.

Here is my

[Ivan The Awesome]

Gilmore is towards the lower end of the draft on most mocks.. It's a reach. If we had the 13th pick or higher, I'd be all for it. But we have the ninth, we have to get a top 10 talent at 9, not reaching for players. If that's the case, then trading down would be ideal.

[chknwing]

^ I agree with this.

My opinion is this that if Coples is off the board, take Kuechly as to me he's simply the BPA, plus LB is a need albeit low on that list.

LB isnt that low on a need list when they switch to 3-4

[Kuech Da Sneak]

Gilmore is towards the lower end of the draft on most mocks.. It's a reach. If we had the 13th pick or higher, I'd be all for it. But we have the ninth, we have to get a top 10 talent at 9, not reaching for players. If that's the case, then trading down would be ideal.

You say that as if implying just because the majority of a bunch of schmucks with blogs about their own personal mocks have him there means that's where he should be.

The majority of mocks have us taking Poe at 9, are you telling me that's where he should be, and that's what we should do?

Seriously.

Mayock, as much as I tend to dislike him, is admittedly one of the best in the business, arguably the best.

He thinks Gilmore is a true top 10 talent, at the worst top 15. I trust him over a bunch of randoms nobody has ever heard of.

That, and the tape.

If we're forced to take a CB at 9 and Mo isn't there, I want Gilmore over Dre. He's much more a top 10 talent than Dre is.

[mick eye]

Nobody like Dre around here. Gilmore reminds me of Gamble. Kirkpatrick could be a shutdown man coverage back. Sorry if i looked at Coach pedigree i would rather have a Saban coached kid than a Spurrier coached kid. Sorry. Bring more Swagga to Carolina.

[MHS831]

Nobody like Dre around here. Gilmore reminds me of Gamble. Kirkpatrick could be a shutdown man coverage back. Sorry if i looked at Coach pedigree i would rather have a Saban coached kid than a Spurrier coached kid. Sorry. Bring more Swagga to Carolina.

What happens is this: Players become favorites early, then a new player emerges and everyone shifts their focus to that player. Then a new player emerges......

By the time all is said and done, the best player could have been the one we were talking about in january, but people fail to re-consider that person again.

[mick eye]

Very true the DT class especially has been fluid and a merry go round. Part of the reason i never liked one guy in particular.

IMO Brandon Thompson and Jerel Worthy have been undervalued during the whole process.

[panthers55]

Why might you move Beason outside? Because the Mike has to have great range going ffrom sideline to sideline and based on past linebackers with achilles injuries, he won't be as fast and mobile as he was before the injury for at least a few seasons. While he is adjusting and working on regaining his skills, moving him to outside will help him have a more focused area to cover and limit his responsibilities until he is 100%. I hope he is 100% right out of the chute, but I can't think of any linebacker who had the surgery and came back 100% the next year.

Kuecky meaanwhile is bigger, faster, and more mobile given he is not rehabbing an injury.

[Kuech Da Sneak]

Nobody like Dre around here. Gilmore reminds me of Gamble. Kirkpatrick could be a shutdown man coverage back. Sorry if i looked at Coach pedigree i would rather have a Saban coached kid than a Spurrier coached kid. Sorry. Bring more Swagga to Carolina.

You say that as if Gamble isn't a shutdown man coverage back, which Dre Kirkpatrick is NOT (seem him get abused many times). I'd rather have a Gamble clone than a guy who got shat on by a WR that drafts have going in the second round.

Who coached them in college doesn't mean a damn thing when they get to the NFL, it's about who is going to coach them at the pro level.

Also, protip, Saban doesn't coach the defensive backs anymore than Spurrier does. They both leave it to their Secondary coaches.

Gilmore will be a better pro.

[jungleking]

With the trends in the NFL being what they are, linebacker isn't really that big of a need. The third linebacker and third cornerback are used about the same amount now. With tight ends splitting outside and three wide-receiver sets becoming more and more important, if you're looking at the gain that a team is going to receive from a top ten pick, then a second cornerback FAR outpaces a third, maybe fourth linebacker. Cornerback or defensive line, I say. Linebacker is too big an investment for the reward.

[panthernation23]

defensive tackles are not as important as D ends, i really hope we get coples, but i wouldnt mind if we took a DT just cause were so bad in that area