Marty Hurney Apparently Lied About Fletcher Cox

[Floppin]

You're not very good at following conversation are you? The argument was being made that Cox would be the best bet to improve our pass rush and the counter argument was that, from a pure pass rush standpoint, this assumption would be false. I'm not saying that I agree, but that's what the discussion was about.

[panthers55]

I love how you are trying to find ways to discredit everybody but Kuelchy..

Now the thing that Fletcher is giving credit for his pass rushing ability is false.

I already said I don't think we will pick him so move on, that doesn't mean that Cox is a better choice.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Cox?

I'm thinking you're going to say we have brought him in. Bad wording on my part...I want Cox. Don't know why I just said bring him in.

[Jangler]

lol cox...

[panthers55]

But what does that have to do with anything we're talking about a DT pass rushing ability compare to a DE rushing ability. 2 different position 2 different styles and expectation to get to the QB.

What we are talking about is an edge rusher who can get to the quarterback, Cox didn't do that. It doesn't matter what position he played, if he isn't a great pass rusher and by all accounts can't handle double teams and is suspect in the run game, then once again how does he upgrade what we have. We need an impact player who can rush the passer not someone who may be only marginally better than McClain.

[koolkatluke]

You're not very good at following conversation are you? The argument was being made that Cox would be the best bet to improve our pass rush and the counter argument was that, from a pure pass rush standpoint, this assumption would be false. I'm not saying that I agree, but that's what the discussion was about.

I know what the f'n Conversation is about. Just because you and P55 are buddies doesn't mean you have to be ahole to me. P55 is comparing 2 different jobs and 2 different ways to improve pass rush. We can get Coples and add another outside pass rush which will be good but getting Cox at DT could help a pass rush up the middle. Both player could be good for our team.

[koolkatluke]

What we are talking about is an edge rusher who can get to the quarterback, Cox didn't do that. It doesn't matter what position he played, if he isn't a great pass rusher and by all accounts can't handle double teams and is suspect in the run game, then once again how does he upgrade what we have. We need an impact player who can rush the passer not someone who may be only marginally better than McClain.

But we are drafting him for his inside pass rush mostly the outside pass rush is a bonus.

[panthers55]

But we are drafting him for his inside pass rush mostly the outside pass rush is a bonus.

No we aren't. You seem to think that is what we need or that we need that more than an edge rusher. Rivera said we need to rush the quarterback. He didn't say from where or how. I don't care either as long as we get to the quarterback. You have kept up the drone that he was such a great pass rusher and could do it from the 3 technique or 5 technique, etc. I just pointed out that he wasn't a great pass rusher based on the stats.

If we had great edge rushers then an inside push would be a bigger deal. If I had to count on Cox's 5 sacks or Ingram's 10 sacks, I know what I would prefer.What Rivera wants remains to be seen.

[Mage]

Can you really blame Hurney for not admitting he had an oral confrontation with Cox? I sure wouldn't.

[Yaboychris28]

Would rather have Brockers. He's bigger with more upside

[panthers55]

I know what the f'n Conversation is about. Just because you and P55 are buddies doesn't mean you have to be ahole to me. P55 is comparing 2 different jobs and 2 different ways to improve pass rush. We can get Coples and add another outside pass rush which will be good but getting Cox at DT could help a pass rush up the middle. Both player could be good for our team.

I was comparing 2 pass rushers that is all. Part of this conversation is about finding a versatile guy. Cox to me isn't versatile nor is a great pass rusher. Getting Ingram could help us with 2 problems since he can drop in zone and rush the passer. At a 4.79 40, he might be able to play some at linebacker and rush the edge.

[panthers55]

Would rather have Brockers. He's bigger with more upside

I would agree if you want someone with upside who can play all three positions on the D line then Brockers would be the better choice.

[Yaboychris28]

IMO Cox has a high bust chance. He is a jack of all trades but a master of none. Any of you people that would rather have the Cox boy over Coples, Brockers, Ingram or Kuechly...I'll be praying for you.

[PhillyB]

this thread was better as a sophomoric collection of wiener puns