Could "the list" have been a bluff?

[panthers55]

Peppers will make just under 17 mill next year or sit out. This represents a 30%+ raise...just like I said

speculation and a ridiculous one at that because he won't sit, he'll take the cash to the bank

you have no idea what the interest level is

he can sign before camp, do just enough to not be called an outright POS and expect a tag from Hurney next year for even more money..and you know it

there is no reason fr him to sign from where I sit and you cannot say there is no interest in him if the fear that inspired the tagging in the first place was that he would get scopped upwithout "compensation and that it might also be in the division or conference.

Which is it 55? No interest = no tagging. if he overvalued himself that is fine. that does not hurt the panthers. Hurney overvaluing him does hurt the panthers though doesn't it?

Obviously you can't do math. he is getting a 20% raise over his 2008 salary as is mandated by the franchise tag.

Secondly there is no interest in paying him 17 million or to give 2 firsts for him. Sure someone would take him for a smaller amount or less compensation but he obviously isn't worth near what he thinks he was worth.

And he can sign before camp but that doesn't mean we can't or won't trade him then. I doubt Hurney will since he said all along he wants him but he could and that is what this discussion was about- who has the leverage. As usual when you fail at one argument you just change it to something else in a vain attempt to try and win some kind of verbal victory.

Hurney expects Peppers to come in to training camp and perform. The Panthers have lots of interest but other teams not so much. If Hurney is overvaluing him he thinks he can do so and has brought in Brown to hedge his bets in the event Peppers sucks it up. Hurney obviously knows a lot about it and seems to think things will work out. Don't know why we wouldn't believe him and believe you instead. He has a track record of success. What is your record on anything except you are quickly gaining the title of king of the trolls topping such notaries as Lone Bucs Fan.

Congratulations!!

[Jangler]

What's all the Hub bub, bub? :banghead:

[bleys]

peppers has a contract NOT TRUE

peppers has a 30%+ raise Close enough I guess

peppers is not subject to trade speculation in the media YOUR POINT?

peppers is not being shopped all over the NFL in the media Again, YOUR POINT?

peppers is not at risk to have to "block" a trade Cause he has to sign the tender. You're point?

peppers is free to negotiate with anybody HE chooses His agent will do this. Your POINT?

..all because of his agent

Still curious how these "FACTS" have anything to do with the SPECULATION you seem to observe.

Fact is... Pep either signs or doesn't. He has no more power than just that.

If you want to rant and rave about how this gives him leverage, so be it. Enjoy your "facts"...

lol

Obviously you can't do math. he is getting a 20% raise over his 2008 salary as is mandated by the franchise tag.

Secondly there is no interest in paying him 17 million or to give 2 firsts for him. Sure someone would take him for a smaller amount or less compensation but he obviously isn't worth near what he thinks he was worth.

And he can sign before camp but that doesn't mean we can't or won't trade him then. I doubt Hurney will since he said all along he wants him but he could and that is what this discussion was about- who has the leverage. As usual when you fail at one argument you just change it to something else in a vain attempt to try and win some kind of verbal victory.

Hurney expects Peppers to come in to training camp and perform. The Panthers have lots of interest but other teams not so much. If Hurney is overvaluing him he thinks he can do so and has brought in Brown to hedge his bets in the event Peppers sucks it up. Hurney obviously knows a lot about it and seems to think things will work out. Don't know why we wouldn't believe him and believe you instead. He has a track record of success. What is your record on anything except you are quickly gaining the title of king of the trolls topping such notaries as Lone Bucs Fan.

Congratulations!!

well said.

Pep can only hope Carey pulls something out of his ass or else he sits out a year. For some reason I fail to see how they have any kind of leverage. The Panthers are sitting on top of the mountain and Carey nor Pep have any way at all possible to move them.

The franchise is going to win. I don't see how this is so hard to see.

To debate the semantics on this is pointless. At the end of the day, Pep hurts himself by sitting out or plays. Seems pretty simple to me.

NOW, if CROLLS wants to debate whether Carey and Pep are doing a good job, go for it. But when you're battling a brick wall, I fail to see this great success they supposedly are having.

The Panthers aren't the ones waiting around. They are ready to go into the season with or without Pep.

You can get mad or "point out the facts" about Hurney letting him walk or franchising him. But if this is all you got, then certainly you know nothing of the business world. Which I'm sure he'll say he does, but then he would obviously never bring this point up again because this isn't Disney world.

FACTS...

lol

[Sandy Claws]

Obviously you can't do math. he is getting a 20% raise over his 2008 salary as is mandated by the franchise tag.

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I saw that, but felt his statement was as accurate as his other "facts" so I just let it go.

[mountainpantherfan]

Going back to the OP, I do believe the "4teams leak" was a bluff. But I think it was a bluff in that Peppers has no desire to be traded. IMO Peppers wants to be a UFA. His second option is playing for the Panthers under the tag hopefuly with a clause not allowing the Panthers to tag him again next year. And in Peppers eyes those are the only two options. Everything Peppers and his agent have done since before the tag was placed on him and everything after that, leading up to the draft and now has been to accomplish one of those two goals.

I agree with CRolls that it would be dumb of Peppers to sign the tender. Right now Peppers is probably ready to head into the 09 season as a Panther. I do disagree with CRolls in that I think this is all business and Peppers will have another Pro-Bowl type year and he is only using the threat of sitting out as a bargining chip to get a clause put into his tender to not get tagged again next off-season. Once that happens, and I think it will, Peppers will play like none of this ever happened.

As for Hurney, I have to disagree again with Crolls. I think with who was available in FA and who would have been on roster to replace Peppers, Hurney had to make this move. There was no gaurentee that the Panthers could have drafted a guy like Brown in the draft but thank God they did. Now this gives the team a year to develope both Brown and Johnson into the future starters and a d-line without Peppers. Was there some risks and sacrafies that went along with tagging Peppers, yes. But at least in my opinion I agree with Hurney and say it was worth it.

[carolinarolls]

last year 12 million

this year 16.68

difference 4.68

4.68 is what percent of 12?

so its not a contract its a tender. if he signs what happens..he gets paid. stop acting like a couple of stoopid women. I do not expect them to not ever us the franchise tag. I just think they are too ******* stoopid to use it correctly. this time and Foster were prime examples of total failure and a total lack of jusging the situation and mitigating risk.

Nobody knows what the interest level is and is only speculating.

Peppers is right not to sign the tender until the last possible moment. He has nothing to gain by signing it and everything to lose.

I don't want to see him walk away either but he wants to.

Oh and bleys if you do not see the obvious point in not having your name mentioned with every team and not having to block trades you don't want to happen and being able to negotiate yor own trade without your former boss stepping in you need to stay off the boards altogether. I don't even know how to respond to questions as stoopid as yours.

Nobody said they were having great success dumbass. try reading next time. I said they were doing better than the alternative which in my opinion is letting Hurney shop them everywhere. If you shut yer ******* traps for a minute and actually looked at the facts they could have done much worse if they "trusted" Hurney. Or at the very least the "risk" was too much for them to take. It makes me think theat they have very little trust in Marty Hurney.

I don't blame them.

[bleys]

last year 12 million

this year 16.68

difference 4.68

4.68 is what percent of 12?

so its not a contract its a tender. if he signs what happens..he gets paid. stop acting like a couple of stoopid women. I do not expect them to not ever us the franchise tag. I just think they are too ******* stoopid to use it correctly. this time and Foster were prime examples of total failure and a total lack of jusging the situation and mitigating risk.

Nobody knows what the interest level is and is only speculating.

Peppers is right not to sign the tender until the last possible moment. He has nothing to gain by signing it and everything to lose.

I don't want to see him walk away either but he wants to.

Oh and bleys if you do not see the obvious point in not having your name mentioned with every team and not having to block trades you don't want to happen and being able to negotiate yor own trade without your former boss stepping in you need to stay off the boards altogether. I don't even know how to respond to questions as stoopid as yours.

Nobody said they were having great success dumbass. try reading next time. I said they were doing better than the alternative which in my opinion is letting Hurney shop them everywhere. If you shut yer ******* traps for a minute and actually looked at the facts they could have done much worse if they "trusted" Hurney. Or at the very least the "risk" was too much for them to take. It makes me think theat they have very little trust in Marty Hurney.

I don't blame them.

so it's the drama of everything that interests you in this affair...

It has nothing to do with the business aspect of Hurney, it's that Hurney kept Peppers against his own will... It's not that Carey is a bad agent, it's that he is standing tall against the big bad Franchise... It isn't about the cap room, it's the fact that we are so close to the limit and... ALL THE DRAMA that creates. Nevermind the fact that there aren't any worthy FA's to sign (reasonably), it's the fact that even if we wanted, we couldn't... It's not that Hurney and Fox did well this offseason, it's that they COULD have done bad... Should I continue?

Sounds like a lot of drama to me... And according to your last post, it's getting you riled up that we are debating on the wrong aspect that exists in all this: THE DRAMA.

Wow, I get it now. And it's all good.

[bleys]

last year 12 million

this year 16.68

difference 4.68

4.68 is what percent of 12?

so its not a contract its a tender. if he signs what happens..he gets paid. stop acting like a couple of stoopid women. I do not expect them to not ever us the franchise tag. I just think they are too ******* stoopid to use it correctly. this time and Foster were prime examples of total failure and a total lack of jusging the situation and mitigating risk.

Nobody knows what the interest level is and is only speculating.

Peppers is right not to sign the tender until the last possible moment. He has nothing to gain by signing it and everything to lose.

I don't want to see him walk away either but he wants to.

Oh and bleys if you do not see the obvious point in not having your name mentioned with every team and not having to block trades you don't want to happen and being able to negotiate yor own trade without your former boss stepping in you need to stay off the boards altogether. I don't even know how to respond to questions as stoopid as yours.

Nobody said they were having great success dumbass. try reading next time. I said they were doing better than the alternative which in my opinion is letting Hurney shop them everywhere. If you shut yer ******* traps for a minute and actually looked at the facts they could have done much worse if they "trusted" Hurney. Or at the very least the "risk" was too much for them to take. It makes me think theat they have very little trust in Marty Hurney.

I don't blame them.

so it's the drama of everything that interests you in this affair...

It has nothing to do with the business aspect of Hurney, it's that Hurney kept Peppers against his own will... It's not that Carey is a bad agent, it's that he is standing tall against the big bad Franchise... It isn't about the cap room, it's the fact that we are so close to the limit and... ALL THE DRAMA that creates. Nevermind the fact that there aren't any worthy FA's to sign (reasonably), it's the fact that even if we wanted, we couldn't... It's not that Hurney and Fox are loyal at all, it's a conspiracy that Hurney can't be trusted and has it out for Pep... Should I continue?

Sounds like a lot of drama to me... And according to your last post, it's getting you riled up that we are debating on the wrong aspect that exists in all this: THE DRAMA.

I get it now. And it's all good...

[carolinarolls]

so it's the drama of everything that interests you in this affair...

It has nothing to do with the business aspect of Hurney, it's that Hurney kept Peppers against his own will... It's not that Carey is a bad agent, it's that he is standing tall against the big bad Franchise... It isn't about the cap room, it's the fact that we are so close to the limit and... ALL THE DRAMA that creates. Nevermind the fact that there aren't any worthy FA's to sign (reasonably), it's the fact that even if we wanted, we couldn't... It's not that Hurney and Fox did well this offseason, it's that they COULD have done bad... Should I continue?

Sounds like a lot of drama to me... And according to your last post, it's getting you riled up that we are debating on the wrong aspect that exists in all this: THE DRAMA.

Wow, I get it now. And it's all good.

OK so...make it up as you go along..and I'wm still waiting on the math answer btw... This thread is about the 4 teams leak and its purpose It then went to why Carey continually gets crucified on this bard in spite of the fact that he is doing a pretty good job of protecting his client.

Now you are coming up with this drama bullshit and to tell yo the truth it doesn't make any sense. It sounds like you are lost in a sea of bitterness and are taking it out on the people keeping you from getting your way, Peppers and Carey. Also, anyone who pays ehtm a compliment is getting the brunt of your smart mouth too.

Grow up bleys

[mantal]

OK so...make it up as you go along..and I'wm still waiting on the math answer btw... This thread is about the 4 teams leak and its purpose It then went to why Carey continually gets crucified on this bard in spite of the fact that he is doing a pretty good job of protecting his client.

Now you are coming up with this drama bullpoo and to tell yo the truth it doesn't make any sense. It sounds like you are lost in a sea of bitterness and are taking it out on the people keeping you from getting your way, Peppers and Carey. Also, anyone who pays ehtm a compliment is getting the brunt of your smart mouth too.

Grow up bleys

Carey is not helping out his player, that is a myth. I'll not get in the middle of your fight with Bleys, (or his with you as the case may be), but he's not helping, he's hurting. I'm fairly certain Carey is the overriding force in this move. And now Peppers sits here sitting out, making no money and still signed to a team he has openly rejected.

Fat lot of good that did. Now he has a decision. Either sign and play and get paid or stay put, don't play and get nothing, knowing you'll probably get nothing for the rest of your career because what team would take that chance? My opinion, he signs and plays and if his agent has a modicum of sense, (and I doubt it), he'll make sure part of the tender is that we won't sign him to the franchise next year...

[Sandy Claws]

last year 12 million

this year 16.68

difference 4.68

4.68 is what percent of 12?

.

It is fact that his guaranteed salary for 2009 is 16.68 million and change. It is also fact that his 2009 salary is the average of the top 5 at the position or 120% of his prior year salary. That means your 12 million is WRONG.

P.S. Straight from the nflpa site. Peppers '08 salary = $13,902,500

P.S.S A quick question, which teams do you think are willing to trade for Peppers and accept the 16+ million salary with no guarantee of a long term deal?

[Sandy Claws]

My opinion, he signs and plays and if his agent has a modicum of sense, (and I doubt it), he'll make sure part of the tender is that we won't sign him to the franchise next year...

The way Hurney has played this so far, I wouldn't bet on him giving in and waiving the tag next year. Nothing says he has to.

[Snake]

Going back to the OP, I do believe the "4teams leak" was a bluff. But I think it was a bluff in that Peppers has no desire to be traded. IMO Peppers wants to be a UFA. His second option is playing for the Panthers under the tag hopefuly with a clause not allowing the Panthers to tag him again next year. And in Peppers eyes those are the only two options. Everything Peppers and his agent have done since before the tag was placed on him and everything after that, leading up to the draft and now has been to accomplish one of those two goals.

I agree with CRolls that it would be dumb of Peppers to sign the tender. Right now Peppers is probably ready to head into the 09 season as a Panther. I do disagree with CRolls in that I think this is all business and Peppers will have another Pro-Bowl type year and he is only using the threat of sitting out as a bargining chip to get a clause put into his tender to not get tagged again next off-season. Once that happens, and I think it will, Peppers will play like none of this ever happened.

As for Hurney, I have to disagree again with Crolls. I think with who was available in FA and who would have been on roster to replace Peppers, Hurney had to make this move. There was no gaurentee that the Panthers could have drafted a guy like Brown in the draft but thank God they did. Now this gives the team a year to develope both Brown and Johnson into the future starters and a d-line without Peppers. Was there some risks and sacrafies that went along with tagging Peppers, yes. But at least in my opinion I agree with Hurney and say it was worth it.

You are giving Carry way to much credit on this one. Peppers agent really is not a agent at all. The only player he has is Peppers so that should tell you right there. No Player nor agent(Thats smart) wants to risk injury to his player by letting him play on a Fran tag. One blow to the knee or one shoulder injury and he stock falls like a rock. Carry tried crude tricks to get Peppers to FA and it hurt his stock in the process. No teams wants to mess with peppers now cause they dont know if he just might change his mind once again and Dont want to loose picks and Pay 30 mill for him to Develop in the 3-4. Thus Peppers is stuck with two options Play or sit and my guess is he is trying to make his mind up if he wants to just stay in Carolina or not as of right now.

[dimbee]

A thread like this with so many long-winded posts makes me

I love it