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This is a common theme from you. IYO do we have anyone on our roster that isn't overpaid!?

Smith throughout his career, Kalil, Gross aren't. A lot of key guys are on rookie deals still...

It is a theme to overpay guys in Carolina. That isn't a unique CRA thought. Williams was overpaid. Gamble overall was paid like he was the 2011 CB. Finally played like it

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I know right, all teams keep great players for cheap.

There are teams that overpay consistantly and teams that don't.

NE vs Car....they handle things differently. That can't be argued. That isn't a claim I think we should be like NE....but it is what it is.

Williams, Anderson, CJ all could of been retained for less....being consistant in overpaying everyone eventually limits what else you can do. My beef isn't do much about overpaying one specific player but the consistant trend. Has hurt out ability to have good depth on the roster IMO

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There are teams that overpay consistantly and teams that don't.

NE vs Car....they handle things differently. That can't be argued. That isn't a claim I think we should be like NE....but it is what it is.

Williams, Anderson, CJ all could of been retained for less....being consistant in overpaying everyone eventually limits what else you can do. My beef isn't do much about overpaying one specific player but the consistant trend. Has hurt out ability to have good depth on the roster IMO

I think you are wrong on all counts about Williams, Anderson and CJ. CJ would have gone to Atlanta unless we overpaid him as we did to stay when we sucked so badly after 2010. Williams had offers from other teams like Denver it was rumored so we paid to keep him. Anderson you could argue was overpaid based on his past performance but he promptly went out and broke the franchise record for tackles last year suggesting he may have been worth the money.

You can't compare us to NE for several reasons. They got away with underpaying for years because players would take less to play for them under the assumption they would be on a superbowl team. Surely that isn't comparable to a 2-14 team that was clearly the worst in the league in 2010 when these contracts were made. Secondly the Patriots believe in trading players before they have to pay them and plugging in the next man up. That worked for years but in the past few years especially on defense that has backfired as they have arguably had one of the worst defenses in the league. Brady is the single reason they have done as well as they have with a poor defense. Without him they would have been like Buffalo the past few years.

And if you say that I admitted NE was different and not the same, then why bring them up instead of a team like Tampa which also underpays their players all the time.

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Team a could pay a player x and it be good....team b could pay the amount they could overpay. Situations matter.

Carolina overpaid Williams. Simple and plain. Paid him featured RB money to get the 2nd most RB reps. Some is hindsight, some of it wasn't.

Overpaid CJ as well. His jaw hitting the floor as we drastically out bid anyone else backs that. Could of saved cash there as well.

Like I said, it isn't about one player. It is a collective and repeating pattern I have the issue with. Has limited our Eteam and shown. It is why we crumble with injuries. Weak depth. It pays to have good depth.

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Team a could pay a player x and it be good....team b could pay the amount they could overpay. Situations matter.

Carolina overpaid Williams. Simple and plain. Paid him featured RB money to get the 2nd most RB reps. Some is hindsight, some of it wasn't.

Overpaid CJ as well. His jaw hitting the floor as we drastically out bid anyone else backs that. Could of saved cash there as well.

Like I said, it isn't about one player. It is a collective and repeating pattern I have the issue with. Has limited our Eteam and shown. It is why we crumble with injuries. Weak depth. It pays to have good depth.

Again, it is your opinion it is a repeated pattern. Paying well for your players and letting other players on the team know that you will compensate them for their skills is not the same as overpaying them. You can't know if a player was overpaid or not except in hindsight. And it requires you know all of the factors like supply and demand. For example you can argue Gamble was overpaid based on his past but if you look at how he has done since he got paid, it seems pretty fair. Hurney has always been under the cap and still paid all his players so it is hard to understand how he supposed overpays everyone and still makes it under a hard cap. It isn't like baseball where you can just spend wildly and pay a luxury tax.

Could you argue that Williams was paid too much? Sure you could but as for everyone else, I don't think it really holds up.

As for depth, we actually have had pretty good depth the last few years. Especially considering how JR gutted all the veteran in 2010. It isn't injuries alone that hampered us but multiple injuries at the same position that killed us. Look at linebacker last year, at one point we were having to start guys off the practice squad. The same at DT. Unless a team could carry 70 guys on their active roster, there is no way you can have 4 or 5 guys go down at linebacker and not be hurting especially with a brand new system and no off season. With only 53 players on a roster, there is only so much depth you can have.

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Just when I think Saints* fans can't be any dumber...blowing2cocksatonce really just implied that a statistic that lists Keenan lewis as the best cb in the nfl, and captain munnerlyn as better than Chris gamble as proof of his argument. Hilarious!!!

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