Haruki Nakamura #1 FS.

[CRA]

• Carolina extended Godfrey in Sep of 2011: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6950742/carolina-panthers-sign-charles-godfrey-source-says
  
• Carolina signed Rivera in Jan of 2011: http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches/ron-rivera/848931a2-11cf-4e45-84db-f5745b09e275
  

I would think that Rivera had some input on Godfrey's extension since he was the new HC.

Godfrey had never played a NFL snap under Rivera. That was a Hurney move.....all those fat deals where Hurney moves trying to impress after the clusterphuck they created keeping Fox yet starting a rebuild with him still in house.

first year HC can't pick up a phone and call a GM...yeah, I know you said you were already I talks with this Godfrey kids agent working on his extension.....but let's not do that I watched some tape.

[GRWatcher]

I stopped reading this thread at page 4. Stupid, stupid, stupid remarks. Nothing is set at safety. Watch the shuffle during preseason games.

The ONLY reason they changed the depth chart is so NBC could get the defensive starters' graphics correct. It's a nationally televised game and they want to get it right. Those graphics are done ahead of the game and the last 2 games had it wrong, showing Martin as starting when it was Nakamura that was on the field. Because the graphics were taken from the depth chart.

dah :blink:

[CRA]

He did.

Based on what? You think Hurney woke up the day before and decided to extend all those players? They work on those with agents, they don't happen overnight.

Hurney is the GM, those mass extensions were a Panther moves.....players Rivera was going to get. First year HC doesn't have that pull to dictate what a GM will do with "his guys" that early on.

[CPF4LIFE]

Godfrey had never played a NFL snap under Rivera. That was a Hurney move.....all those fat deals where Hurney moves trying to impress after the clusterphuck they created keeping Fox yet starting a rebuild with him still in house.

first year HC can't pick up a phone and call a GM...yeah, I know you said you were already I talks with this Godfrey kids agent working on his extension.....but let's not do that I watched some tape.

Okay man your right it was all Hurney, whenever Rivera talks about Godfrey he is just kissing Hurneys ass then.

[4Corners]

Just a website. They breakdowm every play for every player in the NFL. A view from another perspective. Not fact. It has flaws. But they are developing a good reputation for what they do.

Normally they are in the ballpark. You can nitpick little things with them. A guy is a little better here a little worse there. When they list someone as horrible at something....they are usually spot on.

But like I said, that is just an easy link for why Godfrey sucks....not the end all be all of the arguement.

According to your website, the top 10 tackling safeties in NFL LY were:

1 Abram Elam DAL 608 37 0 -- 2 O.J. Atogwe WAS 392 23 0 -- 3 Craig Dahl SL 255 22 0 -- 4 Danieal Manning HST 418 22 0 -- 5 Mike Adams CLV 412 20 0 -- 6 Troy Nolan HST 316 19 0 -- 7 Rashad Johnson ARZ 212 14 0 -- 8 Craig Steltz CHI 228 12 0 -- 9 Tyrell Johnson MIN 176 11 0 -- 10 Usama Young CLV 297 27 1 27.0

I would take Godfrey over every one of those players.

Also, CRA pointed out that Godfrey ranked in the bottom 20. #77 to be exact. Ranked seven spots before him? Some dude named Ed Reed.

I'd also like to point out that Godfrey played almost 250 more snaps than the highest ranking player in the PFF top 10.

Godfrey had a huge workload last year, bro. He was shifted around to try and neutralize the opposite side Gamble was on. And of course he's going to have some missed tackles when he's running across the damn field trying to foot tackle Nate Burelson after he's already burned Captain/Martin/Fill-in-the-blank. What was Godfrey's coverage %, how many times was a ball thrown in his direction? The low # of interceptions for him LY can be contributed to the team avoiding his direction. Any Panther fan who watches the game should know this.

Stats can easily be manipulated to prove a silly argument. You are right on some things you post here but you always let stats be the end all for your argument and honestly the only stats that matter are Wins & Losses!!!!

MrTD- 2

CRA- 0

[4Corners]

Any time you enter a thread with as many pages you know you are going to get these bs off topic slap fights. Nobody even noticed the only relevant post on the page.

Something needed to change with those horrid safeties. They really need some lift there badly.

I obviously D/A with getting rid of Godfrey, but it's obvious Martin's leash here is getting much shorter.

[CRA]

According to your website, the top 10 tackling safeties in NFL LY were:

I would take Godfrey over every one of those players.

Also, CRA pointed out that Godfrey ranked in the bottom 20. #77 to be exact. Ranked seven spots before him? Some dude named Ed Reed.

I'd also like to point out that Godfrey played almost 250 more snaps than the highest ranking player in the PFF top 10.

Godfrey had a huge workload last year, bro. He was shifted around to try and neutralize the opposite side Gamble was on. And of course he's going to have some missed tackles when he's running across the damn field trying to foot tackle Nate Burelson after he's already burned Captain/Martin/Fill-in-the-blank. What was Godfrey's coverage %, how many times was a ball thrown in his direction? The low # of interceptions for him LY can be contributed to the team avoiding his direction. Any Panther fan who watches the game should know this.

Stats can easily be manipulated to prove a silly argument. You are right on some things you post here but you always let stats be the end all for your argument and honestly the only stats that matter are Wins & Losses!!!!

MrTD- 2

CRA- 0

Those were the most efficient.....of course you do have to take into account snaps and etc. You seem to miss that point....there are 88 for you to review. Which you aren't.

LMFAO....Ed Reed is a BALLHAWK! That is what his job is.....they have others that are suppose to tackle. Arguably won of the best in NFL history at it. He is a FS for a reason.

Also, check out every season of Godrey's career....the weakest arguement is trying to act like his problems we are talking about we're exclusive to 2011 bc he was covering for others. He is rated as one of the leagues worst.....every year he has played per them.

No one is avoiding Godfrey....His low number of INTs and comically low when he was a FS is bc he is always a step late and not in position. His picks primarly on tipped passes or balls thrown erratically. He is worse in coverage than Martin and almost equally as horrible at tackling.

Defending Godfrey as anything other than a below average S over the course of his career is nothing but hogwash and balderdash. He has never played up to what someone with his talent would be assumed capable of.

simple and plain.

[Rubi]

Not sure why MrTouchdown is crazy for Godfrey...

Our S position is the weak link on the team. Wake up from La La land

[4Corners]

Those were the most efficient.....of course you do have to take into account snaps and etc. You seem to miss that point....there are 88 for you to review. Which you aren't.

LMFAO....Ed Reed is a BALLHAWK! That is what his job is.....they have others that are suppose to tackle. Arguably won of the best in NFL history at it. He is a FS for a reason.

Also, check out every season of Godrey's career....the weakest arguement is trying to act like his problems we are talking about we're exclusive to 2011 bc he was covering for others. He is rated as one of the leagues worst.....every year he has played per them.

No one is avoiding Godfrey....His low number of INTs and comically low when he was a FS is bc he is always a step late and not in position. His picks primarly on tipped passes or balls thrown erratically. He is worse in coverage than Martin and almost equally as horrible at tackling.

Defending Godfrey as anything other than a below average S over the course of his career is nothing but hogwash and balderdash. He has never played up to what someone with his talent would be assumed capable of.

simple and plain.

I'm not sure "how I can miss that point" about taking consideration into snaps regarding the tackling efficiency level of the safeties. It was my point to begin with.

2010 was a pretty damn good year for Godfrey and that is proof alone he can play at a high level. But it's okay for Ed Reed to miss tackles if he is a "ball hawk'? WTF does that even mean anyway? You just criticized Godfrey for only getting "tip" interceptions or from poor passes? Is that not what a ball hawk does? sound argument my friend.

I'd also like to see some evidence that people aren't avoiding Godfrey ....got any? didn't think so.

MrTD-3

CRA-0

[4Corners]

Not sure why MrTouchdown is crazy for Godfrey...

Our S position is the weak link on the team. Wake up from La La land

Corner back is the weak link on the team. When you have awful corners; the safeties are going to suffer.

They have to pick up the slack, can be caught out of position, and it also affects their ability to play against the run. Could the Panthers LY (and maybe TY, who knows?) afford to load up in the box when there is Captain/Butler/Some other scrub on the outside?

A lot of us here, you/me/CRA disagree about what exact position is the weakest, but I think we can all agree as a unit the secondary is the glaring hole. Not good for us considering this is now a passing league and the elite/good QBs we are going to face this season should scare any Panther fan.

Let me ask y'all this: Would the Panthers secondary become better or worse if we were without Godfrey THIS SEASON???

[CRA]

I'm not sure "how I can miss that point" about taking consideration into snaps regarding the tackling efficiency level of the safeties. It was my point to begin with.

2010 was a pretty damn good year for Godfrey and that is proof alone he can play at a high level. But it's okay for Ed Reed to miss tackles if he is a "ball hawk'? WTF does that even mean anyway? You just criticized Godfrey for only getting "tip" interceptions or from poor passes? Is that not what a ball hawk does? sound argument my friend.

I'd also like to see some evidence that people aren't avoiding Godfrey ....got any? didn't think so.

MrTD-3

CRA-0

Point was you only acknowleged 10 players....76 were ranked ahead of him as more efficient tacklers.

Godfrey played in 2010 just like he has done every other year....he just was lucky enough to have a nice stats sheet.

Ed Reed is a ballhawk. He reads plays. He stops them. He is EXCELLENT against the pass. HOFer. You trying to draw an Ed Reed comparison shows how you have nothing to back your stance. Godfrey is worse in coverage than Martin....and you want to bring THE Ed Reed into this conversation?

You have given ZERO evidence to support your claim Godfrey doesn't suck at tackling. I won't bother throwing facts about how teams don't avoid him in the pass unless you can bring at least one bit of supporting evidence that Godfrey isn't a poor tackler. All you do is claim player X also missed tackles.....that is not support that Godfrey can tackle.

Also, you really don't want to move this from Godfrey's inability to tackle to his coverage skills......that is what he is the worst at.

Mr TD arguing tactic 101. Godfrey is good cuz I say so. Win for me!

[Rubi]

Corner back is the weak link on the team. When you have awful corners; the safeties are going to suffer.

They have to pick up the slack, can be caught out of position, and it also affects their ability to play against the run. Could the Panthers LY (and maybe TY, who knows?) afford to load up in the box when there is Captain/Butler/Some other scrub on the outside?

A lot of us here, you/me/CRA disagree about what exact position is the weakest, but I think we can all agree as a unit the secondary is the glaring hole. Not good for us considering this is now a passing league and the elite/good QBs we are going to face this season should scare any Panther fan.

Let me ask y'all this: Would the Panthers secondary become better or worse if we were without Godfrey THIS SEASON???

Better

[Rubi]

I'm not sure "how I can miss that point" about taking consideration into snaps regarding the tackling efficiency level of the safeties. It was my point to begin with.

2010 was a pretty damn good year for Godfrey and that is proof alone he can play at a high level. But it's okay for Ed Reed to miss tackles if he is a "ball hawk'? WTF does that even mean anyway? You just criticized Godfrey for only getting "tip" interceptions or from poor passes? Is that not what a ball hawk does? sound argument my friend.

I'd also like to see some evidence that people aren't avoiding Godfrey ....got any? didn't think so.

MrTD-3

CRA-0

And yes it is ok for Ed Reed to miss tackles because he gets INTs.

Godfrey doesn't. And he misses tackles

Rubi- 1

MrTouchdown -0

[CRA]

Corner back is the weak link on the team. When you have awful corners; the safeties are going to suffer.

They have to pick up the slack, can be caught out of position, and it also affects their ability to play against the run. Could the Panthers LY (and maybe TY, who knows?) afford to load up in the box when there is Captain/Butler/Some other scrub on the outside?

A lot of us here, you/me/CRA disagree about what exact position is the weakest, but I think we can all agree as a unit the secondary is the glaring hole. Not good for us considering this is now a passing league and the elite/good QBs we are going to face this season should scare any Panther fan.

Let me ask y'all this: Would the Panthers secondary become better or worse if we were without Godfrey THIS SEASON???

Depends. Replace him with someone who can at least tackle consistantly and be in his spot....I think we would be better. Average S play would be better than what he has been doing.

Godfrey has a high ceiling....but is just showing year after year he isn't a NFL S. Tons of physical talent though.