Why Clausen and Edwards are Panthers

[Peppers90 NC]

people who mention colbert forget he showed potential his rookie season

[MadHatter]

And doesn't remotely fit the offense....and has no future here. You wouldn't argue against those would you?

3rd QB spot should be a prospect they are working on and grooming ....if Cam breaks his leg that 3rd QB spot matters bc Anderson is nothing more than a washedup playbook coach. Which is fine, Anderson serves a legit purpose.

I understand your point and would have preferred someone else as well.

I am just saying there are reasons to keep him and anyone sitting at #3 QB is irrelevant.

The only reason you have a number three QB is if you have a disaster in a game and need someone to get you through that game. Even then, you would sign someone that next week.

As for developing someone with the #3 QB position, can anyone name a past #3qb that ever developed into anything? I can't think of any.

[rayzor]

OP wasn't suggested as the reason...

Again, you don't think Hurney likes to keep enough guys to boast Carolina has more drafted players making up their roster than any team in the NFL.

....yeah, he can actually make some cuts and part with some and still make an effort to keep that ratio by hanging on too long to guys.

That being a goal doesn't imply he hasn't cut a single drafted player.

i know he likes having kept most of his draft picks. the point was that he's not going to keep a draft pick around just because he's a draft pick and he likes keeping that percentage.

the assertion was made that most of the time he holds on to draft picks much longer than he should and doesn't part ways with early ones for several years. that just isn't the truth.

they kept jimmy around because they like what they have in the meeting room between the three guys. they kept armanti around because they saw him as a three year project and they are trying to see it through. not sure why that's all so hard to swallow. might there be more than that? i don't know...but those reasons are the most logical and rational probably because they are correct.

[CRA]

i know he likes having kept most of his draft picks. the point was that he's not going to keep a draft pick around just because he's a draft pick and he likes keeping that percentage.

the assertion was made that most of the time he holds on to draft picks much longer than he should and doesn't part ways with early ones for several years. that just isn't the truth.

they kept jimmy around because they like what they have in the meeting room between the three guys. they kept armanti around because they saw him as a three year project and they are trying to see it through. not sure why that's all so hard to swallow. might there be more than that? i don't know...but those reasons are the most logical and rational probably because they are correct.

So maybe Cam likes clowning and joking around with Jimmy....that doesn't seem like much of a reason to hang onto a guy and take up a roster spot.

Edwards as a long term project made more sense prior to the Cam era. His wildcat type packages had potential to have value. He has already proven he isn't a return man. Other converted QBs have done a tremendous amount more in the same time frame.

I guess I just needed a change of pace. Haven't talked about them in awhile. Both seem like good guys....also seems like Carolina is wasting Jimmy's time as well as their own. Jimmy should want out if he still has a strong belief he could start one day.. Or maybe he is content being a backup...I would be here.

[panther4life]

OP wasn't suggested as the reason...

Again, you don't think Hurney likes to keep enough guys to boast Carolina has more drafted players making up their roster than any team in the NFL.

....yeah, he can actually make some cuts and part with some and still make an effort to keep that ratio by hanging on too long to guys.

That being a goal doesn't imply he hasn't cut a single drafted player.

Fug no thats not a reason or the reason. You honestly think he Hurney said man I really should keep Reggie smith or another non drafted player but that would hurt my players drafted ratio, so I think I will cut them. Nope no chance at all.

Name me one player who was not drafted but was cut because of this being a reason.

Not one player got cut because we did not draft them.

[CRA]

Fug no thats not a reason or the reason. You honestly think he Hurney said man I really should keep Reggie smith or another non drafted player but that would hurt my players drafted ratio, so I think I will cut them. Nope no chance at all.

Name me one player who was not drafted but was cut because of this being a reason.

Not one player got cut because we did not draft them.

Well, drafted players flat out have a longer leash. Hunrey pretty much confirmed that this week.....Armanti for example was drafted with 3 yrs of development ahead. Which means guys were likely cut bc they were up against a kid drafted under the mindset of him being safe for 3 yrs.

[panther4life]

Well, drafted players flat out have a longer leash. Hunrey pretty much confirmed that this week.....Armanti for example was drafted with 3 yrs of development ahead. Which means guys were likely cut bc they were up against a kid drafted under the mindset of him being safe for 3 yrs.

The context you put it in was all wrong. You seemed to suggest that Clausen and Edwards only made our roster for the sake of Hurney's personal ego. Glad to see you backed off that ridiculous stance.

[CRA]

The context you put it in was all wrong. You seemed to suggest that Clausen and Edwards only made our roster for the sake of Hurney's personal ego. Glad to see you backed off that ridiculous stance.

Well, the 2010 draft...is the only draft of Hurney's tenure that had no input from a HC.

[panther4life]

Well, the 2010 draft...is the only draft of Hurney's tenure that had no input from a HC

LOL, surpised it took you this long to bring that up. Either way this no longer worth arguing over. See ya in another thread.

[rayzor]

So maybe Cam likes clowning and joking around with Jimmy....that doesn't seem like much of a reason to hang onto a guy and take up a roster spot.

oh good grief... i'm not even going to bother with that drivel.

Edwards as a long term project made more sense prior to the Cam era. His wildcat type packages had potential to have value. He has already proven he isn't a return man. Other converted QBs have done a tremendous amount more in the same time frame.

I guess I just needed a change of pace. Haven't talked about them in awhile. Both seem like good guys....also seems like Carolina is wasting Jimmy's time as well as their own. Jimmy should want out if he still has a strong belief he could start one day.. Or maybe he is content being a backup...I would be here.

if all you are looking a is a wildcat WR gimmick guy then yeah...edwards doesn't seem to make much sense. i don't think that's what they were looking for, though. maybe part of it, but call me naive (wouldn't be the first time) i think maybe they were looking at him being a WR...the wildcat/QB stuff was just gravy.

maybe they saw him as a josh cribbs kind of player back when that was cool. if he can get the whole catching in traffic and fighting for a ball thing down then we've got more options. do we need more options? i don't know...but it sure helps having more. it makes the team more dangerous. as little faith as i have in edwards, if he can live up to his potential he provides an added dangerous threat with the ball to an already dangerous offense. how can that be a bad thing. if he's taking up the 5th WR spot...it's not like that's something that is going to be a vital part of the offense anyway so why not take a risk on him? they've got this much time into him and it's not like he costs a lot. you're going to be gambling with any other player you put there. i just don't see the big deal.

[CRA]

oh good grief... i'm not even going to bother with that drivel.

if all you are looking a is a wildcat WR gimmick guy then yeah...edwards doesn't seem to make much sense. i don't think that's what they were looking for, though. maybe part of it, but call me naive (wouldn't be the first time) i think maybe they were looking at him being a WR...the wildcat/QB stuff was just gravy.

maybe they saw him as a josh cribbs kind of player back when that was cool. if he can get the whole catching in traffic and fighting for a ball thing down then we've got more options. do we need more options? i don't know...but it sure helps having more. it makes the team more dangerous. as little faith as i have in edwards, if he can live up to his potential he provides an added dangerous threat with the ball to an already dangerous offense. how can that be a bad thing. if he's taking up the 5th WR spot...it's not like that's something that is going to be a vital part of the offense anyway so why not take a risk on him? they've got this much time into him and it's not like he costs a lot. you're going to be gambling with any other player you put there. i just don't see the big deal.

I think the wildcat gimmick potential is part of what made drafting him appealing. Not that it was the only appealing aspect.

I think they were looking for more an overall player than pure WR....a little WR action, return work, gimmick plays.

[Marguide]

Adams fumbles once and Armanti becomes a "security blanket".

I'm guessing you didn't take the time or effort to do a lot of research on Adams' history.

[iamhubby1]

Can't believe I read this whole thread just so I could say something somebody may have missed. I was right. You guys are so short sighted, thankfully.

One. Teh jimmyz is still around for two reasons. One, there have been no upgrades available. Two, he does his job, and keeps his mouth shut.

Two. AE is still on the team for two reasons. One, he is still on his rookie deal. Two, he was a talented flyer that will be given as much time as possible.

This is probably their last year.

Also, DA is a top tier back up. If Zod forbid Cam was hurt, DA would be just fine. Not many teams can say that.

Sometimes coaches have to adapt. Saying a player does not fit the scheme is naive at best. Chud did adjust for Cam.

That said. We very well could be looking for two QBs next year. That my friends is not a pretty thought.

[iamhubby1]

Hurney makes the ultimate decision.

And Rivera or Fox...common theme remains the organIzation hangs onto unproductive drafted players longer than other teams.

Hurney is the cap guy. He does not make the ultimate decision. The Panthers have a heirarchy in place. Hurney is not a talent guy, we have more qualified personell for that.

Hurney has two jobs. One, cap management. Two, contract negotiations. Well, three if you count mouthpeice.

You sure seem to know Rivera well. You can compare him to Foxy? After one year? Cool. It is a little early to claim knowledge of trends in Rivera's reign. Or that could just be my slant?

Turning the fact that once again fans fap about fringe players making or not making the team. And turn it into, Rivera is a Panther now, so what do you expect? That is spin at it finest.

Dude, you make an opinion sound as fact. Then back it up as though it is. Does not leave a lot of wiggle room. If you want to complain that a 3rd string QB and the last WR on the roster are unproductive? Well, ...

Oh yeah. That oh so important 52 and 53 position on the roster.

Maybe after Rivera has a couple of years as coach he may have a roster he can call his own. Until then, you will have ammunition to for your biased opinion against certain roster spots.

Short story long. And GOOOOO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!