HURNEY OUT!

[CardiacCats]

Not as happy as I thought I would be....

Rivera definitely is next

[holycrikey]

Not as happy as I thought I would be....

Rivera definitely is next

Which is a shame, because I love the guy as a DC. I really think he'll go onto a DC position elsewhere and really improve that team's D. A lot of analysts said he was coming into the HC ranks too soon, hence why other teams passed on him. I think they may have been correct...

[Davidson Deac II]

I know that this will be good for the team in the long run, but I can't help but be sad that this likely spells the end of Double Trouble. Overpaid as they are together, you've got to love those guys.

That will depend on someone else being willing to take on their salaries in a trade. I don't think that's very likely right now, although I don't know exactly what the salary structure is.

[CatfanMO]

That will depend on someone else being willing to take on their salaries in a trade. I don't think that's very likely right now, although I don't know exactly what the salary structure is.

How about one of our RBS for Mike Wallace?

[iampantherman]

Now if JR would just fire himself, we'd be all set.

[Yaboychris28]

How about one of our RBS for Mike Wallace?

Only one could dream..

[LinvilleGorge]

Which is a shame, because I love the guy as a DC. I really think he'll go onto a DC position elsewhere and really improve that team's D. A lot of analysts said he was coming into the HC ranks too soon, hence why other teams passed on him. I think they may have been correct...

We were the idiots who actually hired everyone else's go-to Rooney Rule qualifier.

[usmcpanthers]

When I first saw this thread I thought it was a fan post wanting Hurney out.....then I saw the page #'s keep growing and took a peek. Wow shocked, nvr thought this would happen. Hopefully we get an intelligent aggressive GM who doesnt trade away draft picks.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

A new GM will definitely get his own coaching staff and players. There are going to be MAJOR moves on the way to follow this

[Fox007]

Better late than never?

Good luck and good bye!!

[Dont Check My Chicken]

Now, maybe we can draft someone other than a RB or LB with our first pick and actually address our DESPERATE needs in the secondary.

[Darth Bobo]

Charles Johnson, Ryan Kalil, Jonathan Stewart, picking up Byron Bell, Frank Alexander....lets not act like everybody but Cam and Smith that Hurney has drafted has been a bust....

2008:

1.13 Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon

1.19 Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh

(no second round)

3.4 Charles Godfrey, CB, Iowa

3.11 Dan Connor, OLB, Penn State

(no fourth round)

5.6 Gary Barnidge, TE, Louisville

6.15 Nick Hayden, DT, Wisconsin

7.14 Hilee Taylor, OLB, North Carolina

7.34 Geoff Schwartz, OL, Oregon

7.43 Mackenzy Bernadeau, OG, Bentley

5 years ago, Carolina produced a nearly FLAWLESS draft. Yes, we traded away future picks, but at least we did it for the right players. Almost every player in this list started at some point.

2009:

(no first round)

2.11 Brown, Everette, DE, Florida State

2.27 Martin, Sherrod, S, Troy

3.29 Irvin, Corvey, DL, Georgia

4.11 Goodson, Mike, RB, Texas A&M

4.28 Fiammetta, Tony, FB, Syracuse

5.27 Robinson, Duke, OT, Oklahoma

(no sixth round)

7.7 Munnerlyn, Captain, CB, South Carolina

4 years ago, only (Goodson, Martin, and Munnerlyn) were worth a damn. A quick study of the 2009 draft class will show that this was generally a weak year for the entire league. However, our picks were were poorly chosen compared to our needs in 2009 and none have emerged as playmakers.

2010:

(no first round)

2.16 Clausen, Jimmy, QB, Notre Dame

3.14 LaFell, Brandon, WR, LSU

3.25 Edwards, Armanti, QB, Appalachian State

4.26 Norwood, Eric, LB, South Carolina

(no fifth round)

6.6 Hardy, Greg, DE, Mississippi

6.29 Gettis, David, WR, Baylor

6.33 Pugh, Jordan, DB, Texas A&M

6.35 Pike, Tony, QB, Cincinnati

7.16 Stanford, RJ, DB, Utah

7.42 McClain, Robert, DB, Connecticut

3 years ago, we improved on the previous catastrophic draft, and sincerely tried to address the QB position. Believe it or not Pike was considered a strong QB that year, but he was injured quite early. We landed a number of starters, but the Edwards and Clausen picks were clearly high investment for low return.

2011:

1.1 Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

(no second round)

3.1 Terrell McClain, DL, South Florida

3.3 Sione Fua, DL, Stanford

4.1 Brandon Hogan, DB, West Virginia

5.1 Kealoha Pilares, WR, Hawaii

6.1 Lawrence Wilson, LB, Connecticut

6.38 Zachary Williams, OL, Washington St

7.41 Lee Ziemba, OT, Auburn

2 years ago, we took what many talking heads considered a big risk. If Hurney had gotten Newton wrong, he would have been fired immediately, and one has to question the extent of Rivera's involvement in this pick. That year, the greatest risk of Hurney's career produced the QB that broke nearly every rookie record on the books. We made a measured investment at defensive tackle, but had to throw them into the fire before they were ready owing to Edwards' pectoral tear. Past the 3rd round, only Kealoha panned out, but we've surrounded him with incompetence on special teams.

2012:

1.9 Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

2.8 Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State

(no third round)

4.8 Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma

4.9 Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas

5.8 Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina

6.37 Brad Nortman, P, Wisconsin

7.9 D.J. Campbell, FS, California

Kuechly was probably the best player available, and he has performed like any team would expect given his draft position. Silatolu is already playing, which is a bad sign in terms of personnel management as it relates to rookie player development. I would judge this draft as being an average overall draft. It does not trouble me that some players are not on the final 53.

If I were going to measure Hurney's performance, I wouldn't look beyond 5 years ago for a "what have you done for me lately" league. I think the excessive pay of Charles Johnson (72m guaranteed) is a problem for OTHER PLAYERS, for example the other end position where we needed a complimentary end and didn't get one. We've needed a slot receiver badly for years, and have never demonstrated the coaching talent to grow depth from within. I think one would have to be second guess the departure of Jeremy Shockey as an affordable and competent blocker for the run, a complimantary (to Olsen) short pass threat over the Mike LB, and basically spreading out defenders for Cam Newton. I say his loss has affected both our RB's and Cam deeply and significantly. Was there not cap room?

[Keith Moons Liver]

You can't evaluate our drafts simply by seeing if a guy started or not. We sign few free agents and fewer good ones- our draft picks are going to have every opportunity to start, even if they suck. That's why we are one of the worst teams in the entire league. When you look for competent starters drafted, it gets really ugly really fast.

[Darth Bobo]

When you look for competent starters drafted, it gets really ugly really fast.

One has to wonder whether inadequate developmental coaching might be to blame in part, but I do agree that in the 3 early rounds we rightly expect more of our players to be on the highlight reels.

Scouting, drafting, and free agency are critical responsibilities of a general manager for which they are not entitled a bad YEAR (year!!!). When I look at the 2009 draft, it seems like a pretty aggregious failure. Fox left after that season, but Hurney was kept.

Now, that we are in a stretch of the regular season when coaching and players take over, and team management is in a more maintenance role, I find it dubious that Hurney is taking the fall. Sure, we have several underperforming units, and only a costly infusion of outside talent could repair them, and even then we'd not make the playoffs, so there's no point. We had to beat Dallas and we failed.

As I see it, there are far more relevant personnel who are more directly responsible from week to week for poor performance. I find it hard to excuse DeAngelo Williams right now, for example. How about you?