Overlooked stat for Cam

[ReturnOfPFFL]

Hey sorry i am late. Dalton sucks.

I don't care what obscure stats you look at, if you are attempting 31.5 passes a game and are only averaging 196.8 yards per game, against terrible defensive teams like KC, Oak, Dallas, SD, and Philly which is Dalton's last 5 games. You aren't getting the ball downfield.

Which is a shame because in the WCO that Dalton is running you should have much bigger windows to throw into downfield because most of the linebackers are having to stay up to take away those short quick passes.

It is a lot different when you run an AC offense and on passing plays everyone drops into deep coverage (which is why the screen pays usually work so well in AC offenses like CAR and SD). Not sure what all the stats are, i haven't read all of PFFL likely misleading statistical analysis. But a WCO you should always have a higher completion percentage than a AC offense and also you should be able to get easier throws downfield.

If Dalton ran an AC offense it would likely be a nightmare. But that is why he is running a WCO. It better fits his abilities. Much like I think the AC is a good fit for Newton... when we run it right.

It must be nice to make up your own rules and definitions....the rest of us have to deal with real world facts...like for example the fact our version of AC is just a glorified college spread option whereas Dan Fouts always played from under center. He was never in the shotgun. The man couldn't run. There was no 1 man advantage. No defensive player had to be committed to his rushing ability.

Our offense is based on it but we are not running the AC offense. fug we are running plays straight out of Auburn's playbook! We have a dual rush QB, and incorporate read option plays on just about every play which makes it easier to complete passes when defenses can't really tell you are about to run or pass, have to commit 1 extra defender to your QB, which often leaves unaccounted receivers wide open, and more man to man coverages for Cam to take advantage of or makes it really easy to dump the ball off. We were 5th in yards after catch last year, and our #1 receiver in yards after catch was our running back!

Our offense is no different than your typical college spread offense, which other dual rush QB's are using and again....there's a reason why guys like Russel Wilson and RG3 are completing passes at 63% and 70%...and it's not because the spread option is harder than a pro style WCO.

But I get what this is. Dalton has a higher completion % so the only explanation is that Cam's offense must be harder to complete passes, am I right? Typical Cam Newton nuthugger mentality. Let Drew Brees know that Russel Wilson's a better passer than him, will you?

[Gabeking]

PFFL with his uncle in 2007.

[CatMan72]

Records carry more value when they are accomplished while winning.

Andy and AJ got snubbed last year for what they did. They deserved more credit for being 2 rookies who pretty much took their team to the playoffs.

They are exactly the 2 guys I hoped the Panthers would have gotten. So much class in the post game interview. Very likeable guys.

LOL, someone forgot to tell Dan Marino that.

[CatMan72]

Bottom line, if you walked away from last night thinking Dalton is a better QB than Cam, something is seriously wrong with you.

[Verge]

Cam should finish with the following

24 passing tds, 12 ints, 4,000 passing yards, 10 rushing tds, 800 rushing yards

34 total tds making a total of 69 tds in two years, incredible.

[Jackofalltrades]

Cam should finish with the following

24 passing tds, 12 ints, 4,000 passing yards, 10 rushing tds, 800 rushing yards

34 total tds making a total of 69 tds in two years, incredible.

This is really what I was getting at until that dipshit highjacked my thread.

[PhillyB]

so it turns out PFFL actually IS a Dick

get it?

[Verge]

This is really what I was getting at until that dipshit highjacked my thread.

Always here to help JOAT ;]

[Keith Moons Liver]

Sometimes the level of discourse on the huddle is about on par with the comments section of a porn tube site.

[panthers55]

Ugh Richard, you're showing your asinine propensity for cherry picking stats again.

"Look guys, air yards!!!" this disproves that their passing schemes are different!!"

Well, no, not really.

Cam's Air Yards are 1663, but on only 227 completions, or about 7.32 air yards/completion

Dalton's Air yards are 1637 but on 295 completions (almost 70 more), or about 5.5 air yards/completion.

Your ass is showing, Richard. Go away.

I didn't have to read beyond the comment that the Air Coryell system is a type of West Coast offense. That was enough to convince me that he has just enough knowledge to be dangerous. He might be able to convince the casual fan that he is correct, because on the surface they have similarities but the serious fan knows the philosophical differences that are exacerbated by the fact that we run a spread option with an emphasis on running as well as passing.

For thoughts on how they differ:

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/166363-belichick-air-coryell-amp-west-coast-offenses/

http://logicaloptimizer.blogspot.com/2009/08/difference-between-west-coast-and-air.html

http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/7/2/1548898/don-air-coryell-dies-at-the-age-of

[panthers55]

It must be nice to make up your own rules and definitions....the rest of us have to deal with real world facts...like for example the fact our version of AC is just a glorified college spread option whereas Dan Fouts always played from under center. He was never in the shotgun. The man couldn't run. There was no 1 man advantage. No defensive player had to be committed to his rushing ability.

Our offense is based on it but we are not running the AC offense. fug we are running plays straight out of Auburn's playbook! We have a dual rush QB, and incorporate read option plays on just about every play which makes it easier to complete passes when defenses can't really tell you are about to run or pass, have to commit 1 extra defender to your QB, which often leaves unaccounted receivers wide open, and more man to man coverages for Cam to take advantage of or makes it really easy to dump the ball off. We were 5th in yards after catch last year, and our #1 receiver in yards after catch was our running back!

Our offense is no different than your typical college spread offense, which other dual rush QB's are using and again....there's a reason why guys like Russel Wilson and RG3 are completing passes at 63% and 70%...and it's not because the spread option is harder than a pro style WCO.

But I get what this is. Dalton has a higher completion % so the only explanation is that Cam's offense must be harder to complete passes, am I right? Typical Cam Newton nuthugger mentality. Let Drew Brees know that Russel Wilson's a better passer than him, will you?

Honestly, are you really beleiving what you are saying or is this your attempt to establish an incorrect position which you then defend bending the facts to suit your purpose so you can win the argument even when you know you are wrong. Or do you expect fans here to accept your half truths an distortions of the facts. For example both RGIII and Russell Wilson are West Coast offenses that mix in some spread concepts whereas the Panthers use a spread offense mixing in Coryell concepts. We pass using a North-South passing approach heavily utilizing the TE on the deep outs and in the seams and wide receiver on deep routes over the middle and down the sidelines. Wilson, RGIII and Dalton throw East-West and short underneath crossing routes and slants hoping for yards after the catch. Dalton has a higher completion percentage because he throws shorter easier to complete passes. Last night I saw a half dozen shovel passes which are extended handoffs and sure to increase the completion percentage. And the idea that he had more 30 yard completions is a red herring as well unless the stat can differentiate between passes that are thrown 30 yards down the field and caught as the receiver goes out of bounds snagging a beautifully thrown deep ball versus a pass thrown 10 yards down the field with the receiver rambling down the field for another 25 yards. Both go down as long completions but the differences are as obvious as the styles and approaches used by Newton and Dalton. BTW- for much of the season Newton wasn't playing like a franchise quarterback either. The difference is that Newton has a much higher ceiling than Dalton as evidenced by his play the past few weeks versus Dalton who is more of a manager than a game changer. He can make plays but makes mistakes as well. He doesn't throw a ton of picks because he is too timid to gun the ball in there knowing his limitations. And the list goes on. Feel free to continue to argue but come back with more than just numbers based on faulty or limited assumptions which are easily refuted.

[frash.exe]

Wow whoever this ReturnOfPFFL guy is he really says a lot of nothing/needs to lose some weight

[Gabeking]

Wow whoever this ReturnOfPFFL guy is he really says a lot of nothing/needs to lose some weight

Well, there's one thing that's certain....

[Chimera]

Particle board dining table.