Superbowl HCs (first 2 yrs)

[rayzor]

i can just see it now...in two more years after we finally have a winning record but no playoffs people saying "rome wasn't built in a day."

meh....

wasn't calling for a superbowl. just a winning record. is that too much to ask? apparently it is. bar is obviously set way too high there.

[CRA]

It could be, but my problem is all of Rivera's wins have come against teams with little to play for or losing records. Too many times our team has come out looking unprepared and that is unacceptable. He's made too many questionable decisions and quotes for me to give him the benefit of the doubt and think he's not who he has appeared to be thus far.

But, my opinion is of little consequence. I'm just a fan and have to accept the decision that has been made for us and hope for the best, but I fear it was the wrong one yet again...

Under RR we have literally been in all 32 games but maybe 4. That is with what is now a 2nd year QB who had comically few college starts vs the norm. I wouldn't say that is the sign of an unprepared team.

It is disappointing. Bc the difference between us being what we have been.....and a MUCH better record under RR is actually just a play a game.

I think the difference between Rivera being good and what he has been.....is really just him making a very small step.

[Proudiddy]

My biggest problem is, in all of the years I've watched, followed, and studied football, I've never seen a coach make some of the mistakes Rivera has... "Inexperienced" head coach or not.

[Car123]

Great thread

[teeray]

John Elway was a bad QB when he entered the league, just like Jimmy Clausen. Therefore, Jimmy Clausen is a future hall of famer.

See, I can use logical fallacies too.

It is no more a logical fallacy than it is to say that he will fail because of the first two seasons.

the point the OP is trying to make (IMO) is that judging a coach on record his first two seasons is a mistake

[Keith Moons Liver]

It is no more a logical fallacy than it is to say that he will fail because of the first two seasons.

the point the OP is trying to make (IMO) is that judging a coach on record his first two seasons is a mistake

You're right, a deductive argument for either side cannot be made given the limited data we have. We can, however, make a pretty strong inductive argument that it is significantly less likely Rivera becomes a successful head coach than a replacement.

[CRA]

It is no more a logical fallacy than it is to say that he will fail because of the first two seasons.

the point the OP is trying to make (IMO) is that judging a coach on record his first two seasons is a mistake

Yep, I didn't think it was that tough to get the point of it

[CRA]

You're right, a deductive argument for either side cannot be made given the limited data we have. We can, however, make a pretty strong inductive argument that it is significantly less likely Rivera becomes a successful head coach than a replacement.

Would depend on who the replacement would be....

Not sure that argument you suggest is so easy to make. Just being new doesn't seem to offer better odds of having a successful coaching career

[Zithers]

The everything doesn't happen overnight logic is stupid?

That is one reason Rivera should stay.

being handicapped by a fired GM is another reason he deserved another year.

no. using records from SB winning coaches is dumb. that's like a jaguar fan saying "blaine gabbert isn't a bust, drew brees sucked in his first two seasons too! we just need to wait it out."

how about we just go by these instead of worrying about what other coaches do... because what they do doesn't fuging matter.

started 2011 2-8

started 2012 2-8

when games are within one score, he is 2-12

we blew an 11 point lead in five minutes against the bucs... at home

we blew an 8 point lead in five minutes against the bears

we've blown three 4th quarter leads to the falcons

we've blown several other 4th quarter leads... hell we were beating the saints 44-24 last week with five minutes left until it was all of a sudden 44-38.

most of rivera's wins are over backup or terrible QBs (john beck, matt leinart, blaine gabbert, josh johnson, tj yates, curtis painter) or teams that had lame duck coaches (chargers, 2011 bucs, eagles, saints w/ their interim guys).

that's 11/13 wins. so you have a win over the rg3skins and falcons (where players said they were complacent against us)... and... that's it.

his situational playcalling is the absolute worst (4 minute offense, 2 minute drill, prevent defense). he's a horrible time manager. can't keep up with adjustments. he's good at X's and O's (why we always lead) and getting the most out of his players (like our journeymen corners who played v well). but he has no business being a head coach.

2013 is over before it even began. and we just became the least desirable place for potential GMs. who the hell wants to take over a team where they can't even choose their coach? add in our horrid cap situation and we're pretty much doomed.

[CRA]

Again, lots of good coaches have made coaching errors early on in their careers. Some times they don't have the talent to make the "right call". Some times it is growing pains.

Lots of players have played poorly early on as well....sometimes it is learning, sometimes it is talent around them.

Some you shouldn't give up on after 2 seasons. I think RR has shown some positives and been handicapped. THAT, to me, suggests two seasons haven't been enough to pass him off yet. I think he has made some coaching blunders....I also thinking lacking in talent at spots has made calls look bad when they probably are the smart call.

[BANE]

Again, lots of good coaches have made coaching errors early on in their careers. Some times they don't have the talent to make the "right call". Some times it is growing pains.

Lots of players have played poorly early on as well....sometimes it is learning, sometimes it is talent around them.

Some you shouldn't give up on after 2 seasons. I think RR has shown some positives and been handicapped. THAT, to me, suggests two seasons haven't been enough to pass him off yet. I think he has made some coaching blunders....I also thinking lacking in talent at spots has made calls look bad when they probably are the smart call.

Stop being rational. Dont you know we should have a super bowl ring, with another on the way by now?

[rayzor]

ok...so when you do draw the line?

3 years? 4 years? 5?

at what point do you get the idea that this coach won't be able to put together a winning season or get you in the playoffs?

[Sloth]

ok...so when you do draw the line?

3 years? 4 years? 5?

at what point do you get the idea that this coach won't be able to put together a winning season or get you in the playoffs?

You don't. He's a first time head coach, he's learning, it's his coordinators, sure we're a poo team but the players like him, etc

[rayzor]

btw...how long did it take for rome to get built?

500 years?

sorry, but that's too long.