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Is Cam just a bad read option QB?

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Kurb Newbie

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what I meant to say was running it as you primary offense (and being successful) is more gimmicky.

There is too much talent and speed on defenses for the Read Option to be a primary offensive scheme.

Sprinkle it in and it is fine. Try and run it as a base offense and you will fail.

Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

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teeray Rookie

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go back and check out what Miami did with the Wildcat.

Something very different than what teams were accustomed to seeing. They were VERY successful in running it for ONE season. Once teams figured it out....they shut it down.

Go back and watch the 1996 Panthers Defense. Dom Capers was running an exotic defensive scheme (gimmick). It was VERY successful until GB showed how to play it. Then it was shut down.

Gimmick offenses and defenses (something no one has seen before) are usually VERY short lived in the NFL. Teams figure them out and they are basically shut down.

There are just as good of coaches in in college as there is in the NFL. Perhaps even better coaches. And they still haven't figured it out.

That is because it is virtually impossible to account for everyone on the field like that.

With the Wildcat you really don't have to account for the receivers so you can bring both safeties up for run support. You don't have that luxury with the read option.

And one other thing. No one runs the spread option offense in the NFL the way it should be ran. Not Was, Sea, SF, or Carolina.

If a team really wanted to run a great spread option type offense, all they have to do is watch Peyton Manning's offense. Quick or no huddles, get to the line of scrimmage, make the defense show their hand, make adjustment according to what defense is doing. Only difference is that you have a QB that the defense also has to account for. It makes it virtually unstoppable. Granted in order for it to actually work in the NFL you have to have a QB that can also throw the ball. You couldn't get away with it in the NFL if the QB was just an athlete.

I don't think you can now call that offense a gimmick. It is mainstream in college now and is making its way to the NFL.

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Really that's true for most any play.

FWIW Cam/Rg3/Niners Guy and even Luck and Russel can run it with success.

To much of anything fails in the NFL.

you run the ball too much, teams are gonna stop you. you pass the ball too much, teams are going to stop you. it may take a few plays, a few games, or even a season or two depending on how well you do it and how new it is, but it will eventually be stopped.

the wildcat's failing was that it was predictable. you stick an RB back there and guess whats gonna happen 90% of the time....he's gonna run. the principle was sound, tho...put someone back there who is a threat to either run or throw and you make that guy dangerous. balance had to be there for it to be most effective, tho. pass enough to keep the defense from completely boxing in the backfield, but run often enough that the D has to keep an eye on it rather than on stopping the pass.

our run game failed in 2010 after such a dynamic year prior because we focused to much energy on running and didn't do enough in the passing game for the defense to not worry about sending in 8, 9, or even 10 rushers to the backfield. there was no balance and we got killed.

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Fox007 Grand Master

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Washington runs theirs differently than we do.

Cam is more of a power threat and can score in the redzone and get first downs on 3rd and 4th and 1.

RG3 is more of a speed threat and gashes teams to the edge.

Just different styles.

Someone call me when RG3 powers past a big pile of doods for a goal line TD.

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CRA Grand Master

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Cam Newton is a great read option QB. Best in the NFL.

Next question. He is the only one built to do it.

The RB play this year was more crap G play w/ no holes than anything in the read option as well as overusage of it.

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Our read option early in the year was different than what most other teams are running. The RB and QB were usually nearly standing still when the decision was made to keep or hand off. Other teams have the RB a bit further from the QB or in a pistol set (behind the QB) so they could get a running start. I think this limited it's effectiveness.

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CRA Grand Master

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Our read option early in the year was different than what most other teams are running. The RB and QB were usually nearly standing still when the decision was made to keep or hand off. Other teams have the RB a bit further from the QB or in a pistol set (behind the QB) so they could get a running start. I think this limited it's effectiveness.

I think it is more the G play than anything in 2012. A gimp or hurt Stewart factoring as well.

2011 - Read option was appropriately sprinkled in.Result? One of the greatest rush attacks in NFL history.

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