sign of things to come here? Giants cut Ahmad Bradshaw...also Chris Canty

[Guest FredLane4Ever]

Stewart was part of rolling in 08

Stewart was part of the strong 09 finish

Stewart was part of the strong 11 finish

Outside of this past season, he has been part of things when we were rolling

Its kind of funny because I am in favor of holding on to Beason. You want to see him cut.

Then you are supporting holding on to Stewart over Williams when he was hurt last year. I prefer holding on to Stewart based on talent, so it is funny that I think we should cut him. Go figure, and Beason's injuries are far worse.

[iamhubby1]

Were in a league now where you can't get too attached to players. Pay your core players and everyone else is expendable.

With the salary cap, it really does boild down to, Can my core beat your core?

Keep your team young and cheap. It allows you to keep your core, and, shop for decent FAs instead of the bargain basement ones. Unfortunately, hurndog lost his way and strayed from the plan. I believe Gettlemen will get us back on track by getting contracts back on track.

Pay your core, reasonably, and hope they are better than everyone elses.

[thefuzz]

one of the best times of the offseason every year is seeing every self proclaimed cap "expert" stunned when whatever horn they've been tooting for months is all of a sudden blown to pieces and they have no idea how it happened

"like zomg guys we can't cut a RB, Goodell will literally come and kidnap our cap and have relations with it and the mutant child that is birthed will be forced to be our new cap clearly you guys just don't understand how the cap works but I do because sheikh zulu told me how it did in that thread one time a couple years ago"

Every year, we are in a cap struggle. We are not able to go after a few key pieces because of our mismanagement in the past.

Do you think that had we had some space that Vincent Jackson would have been a good pickup for Cam and this O? We didn't have the cap space to do it.

Do you think that we got a steal by bringing in Naka? Nope, we just couldn't afford anything better.

Yes, we always manage to get under the cap....all teams do, but we are not a good football team. As bad as we have been lately, we should have tons of cap to show for it....but we don't.

[Growl]

Every year, we are in a cap struggle. We are not able to go after a few key pieces because of our mismanagement in the past.

Do you think that had we had some space that Vincent Jackson would have been a good pickup for Cam and this O? We didn't have the cap space to do it.

Do you think that we got a steal by bringing in Naka? Nope, we just couldn't afford anything better.

Yes, we always manage to get under the cap....all teams do, but we are not a good football team. As bad as we have been lately, we should have tons of cap to show for it....but we don't.

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

[CRA]

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

yes, you can have a model where you don't go after big name free agents.

He was simply pointing out, if that wasn't Carolina's philisophy, they couldn't go after the big name FA's. If Carolina replaced Hurney with a guy who wanted to go after big name players....he COULDN'T. Not immediately. Not with out wiping out real talent. You would be trading off instead of just adding. Will take a couple years to get out of the mess to create real room.

[thefuzz]

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

Electing to sign or not to sign is not the issue, it's the fact that they can't even if they wanted to.

We/Hurney (Idiot) decided to keep a base together, and WAY overpay them just to maintain more of the same.

It was a flawed policy, and will now hamstring the team for another two years.

I am not one of these guys that screams for a pick up every time there is a cut out there, but we could really benefit from an occasional FA pickup, even if it was a big name.

Had we not signed DWill or Beason or Kalil, we could have a true number 1 WR and not have to worry about that in the draft this year, instead focusing on CB, DT, OT.

[Who Said What?]

I honestly think DeAngelo will be a Panther to at least start the season. May look at a midseason trade to see if anyone's starting back goes down and we can extract some value. Otherwise, I would think he'd be released after this season when the cap hit becomes more manageable.

Do you think that Gettleman is looking at these contracts thinking what in the world was this guy trying to do? I remember that Hurney would always try and get guys to restructure, but what was his plans this time? He had no reason to give out the astronomical money to D-lo, J-Stew, and Charles Johnson. Shrewd negotiator he was not.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Do you think that Gettleman is looking at these contracts thinking what in the world was this guy trying to do? I remember that Hurney would always try and get guys to restructure, but what was his plans this time? He had no reason to give out the astronomical money to D-lo, J-Stew, and Charles Johnson. Shrewd negotiator he was not.

The Deangelo and Stewart contracts were bad moves. Charles Johnson is one of the best defensive ends in the leage and we needed to pay him.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Electing to sign or not to sign is not the issue, it's the fact that they can't even if they wanted to.

We/Hurney (Idiot) decided to keep a base together, and WAY overpay them just to maintain more of the same.

It was a flawed policy, and will now hamstring the team for another two years.

I am not one of these guys that screams for a pick up every time there is a cut out there, but we could really benefit from an occasional FA pickup, even if it was a big name.

Had we not signed DWill or Beason or Kalil, we could have a true number 1 WR and not have to worry about that in the draft this year, instead focusing on CB, DT, OT.

If Hurney hadn't re-signed Beason or Kalil, this fanbase would have rioted.

[rayzor]

The Deangelo and Stewart contracts were bad moves. Charles Johnson is one of the best defensive ends in the leage and we needed to pay him.

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.

Maybe, that's not really something we can ever know. But if he had taken 1 or 2 million less a year to sign with Atlanta, that "saved" money would have made us look like complete morons.

[thefuzz]

If Hurney hadn't re-signed Beason or Kalil, this fanbase would have rioted.

Those are two that I could live with. I don't think that we needed to make Beason or Kalil the highest paid at their positions....but what ever.

CJ, didn't really have a major bone with that one, but the amount did seem a little crazy.

My biggest beef is and has been the DWill contract. That was just stupid.

[Who Said What?]

we probably didn't need to pay him as much as we did, though.

i think it's pretty likely we paid him a whole lot more than any other team was even thinking about paying him.

hurney threw money at his "core" without showing any discipline whatsoever.

It was like the Falcons were like you know we think highly of Charles Johnson. You know he played at Georgia. Hurney was like fudge it son, 70mil and not a penny less.

[csx]

I don't think you quite understand how this football team works.

Electing not to sign "big name" free agents is just that-a decision. A flawed philosophy that we picked up somewhere along the way. It has nothing to do with " we. Aint. Got. No. Moniez. Brah!" and only a simpleton would think so. That cap can be arranged and manipulated by a competent manager of it with ease provided they're intelligent enough to do it an willing to do it (I.e. making the tough decisions)

We see every team around the league do it yearly, and every year the same morons are befuddled because "like what? How? Espn said that dey ain't got no moniez and moniez was something dey did not have!!"

It even happens here in the rare case we make a move in free agency

You can attempt as many stupid internet spelling phrases as you like but it is not going to change the fact that the team cannot spend money they don't have. The cap has real implications regardless and simple math will show you that it has hindered this team. The Panthers have chosen to spend their money for contracts for drafted players. Sure there are ways to manipulate your current situation to free up some space but this team has chosen to do such things over the long run and they never catch up. There is no way to magically undo years of bad contract management.

Brah