Barner over Williams

[Cyberjag]

This reminds me of the "Foster or Williams" discussions we had in the Fox era. 

 

Barner showed us that he just can't block worth diddly last night, so I expect Williams to be in there just to provide Newton with a little protection

[FattyFatFat]

Would like to use barner in the slot some and get him in space. Also, would like to see power I with Tolbert at fullback. Barner is going to need work at pass blocking, but if our OC is competent, we can incorporate some 3 step drops whenever barner is in.

[YourManInAmsterdam]

I am worried we may not see J-Stew this season.

 

This is what I'm most afraid of when it comes to the running game given the O-Line woes.

 

Having both healthy and Cam as a running threat is about the only thing that makes for a complete backfield.  J-Stew and D-Will are both very one-sided backs.  Always have been.

 

Given things as they are, Tolbert may actually have more success.  Barner, maybe.  He needs experience, and boy, it looks like he's gonna get it.

[mwright350]

I think this ends up being a twofold decision.

 

It's no disrespect to DWill because with a halfway fug-worthy OL he's a WAY better back, BUT!  Barner, by virtue of his young bullheaded "hit the first hole as hard as you can" style will gain more yards behind the piss poor one we have.  This will earn him more carries than he might have received if we had said fug-worthy OL.

 

Trick is DWill is the better pass protector and we DO have that piss poor OL.  DWill will have to still get enough carries that him being in doesn't scream "yo they're passing" so the probably outcome is roughly the same split that DWill and JStew had when we weren't trying to force one of them to be the "starter"

[dksmith17]

We should start collecting money and send Zod to scouting classes or something

[Kevin Greene]

DWill/Stew<anybody else.

 

An argument as old as the chicken vs the egg on the Huddle

Same answer, Hurney stupidity gave DWill a contract any player in the NFL would gladly sign.

The Panthers will continue to try and get some value out of our previously brain dead GM's contracts given to DWill and DStew.

Patience is the only answer until this albatross is raised from the Offenses' backs (pun intended).

Barner is a specialist, and must be put in situations he can succeed in, the rest of the RB corp must do their part.

[AceBoogie]

Hear me out. Our oline is so bad we should rest cam this year and start Jimmy. What happened the last time we started Jimmy? We got Cam. This year we get Clowney. Trade hardy and 2014 dare I say it. Super Bowl

[carolina-chuck]

Is Barner a better option behind a god awful offensive line? Maybe so.

SMH

[Udogg]

Gain positive yards consistently.

 

Come on dude.  You have seen a lot of NFL games.  Who was going to gain yards against some of those penetrations last night? Barry Sanders and um.no one else.   Yeah Barner may have had a few more positive yard plays, but to say it was because of Barner skills and not because of the defense?  No one but Cam was going to run anywhere that night.  There were 0 holes.  Not to the outside or inside.  Look at that third and 1 play,  There were 3 Ravens within 1 yard of the handoff.  

 

The line was so bad last night, when we ran a screen play it looked like the regular offensive line blocking scheme.  If there were legitimate holes and Williams just wasn't hitting them I would be all for putting in whomever ran better.  But that is simply not the case.

[Panthro]

I have been waiting for Barner to take over a game before I said it. I have hinted at running with Tolbert, Barner, and Poole this season. Rip the bandaid off these bad contracts.

 

They are all better screen RB's then our starters too

[Zod]

Williams - .5 yards per carry

Barner - 3.5 yards per carry

 

 

Yeah, I am way off base.

[mwright350]

I think some of you are missing the point.

 

DWill is *clearly* the more talented back and he's the better back if he has any blocking at all.

 

The question is a worse back with a better style for playing behind a shitty OL a better option to be playing right now.  The net worth might be higher in spite of the lower actual value of the player.

[xtheronx]

Williams - .5 yards per carry

Barner - 3.5 yards per carry

Yeah, I am way off base.

Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

[Zod]

Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

 

Nope. I feel Barner can get more behind a bad offensive line than Deangelo, as shown last night.

 

Deangelo may be a better back given adequate space, but he isn't getting that anytime soon.