I liked the offense and I'm confident moving forward.

[RelaxImaPro]

Ron Rivera needs to learn how to adjust/anticipate at halftime and especially in the 4th quarter.  Every fuging game we always look lost at the end and get shredded by the other team after relatively shutting them down through the first 3 quarters.  If we can't get the offense back on the field in crunch time while the opponent is moving at will then we have no fuging chance, which attributes to most of our hilariously close losses.  The man can not adjust in the 4th quarter when opposing teams start throwing the real punches.  This quote just stuck out to me and it's been true pretty much throughout his career here in Carolina:

 

 

And Ron Rivera will choose to punt on a couple of short fourth downs when going for it seems at least a reasonable option. He also failed to make adjustments. On their clock-killing drive, Seattle, ran at least three bootleg passes to the fullback, and they all worked. One was to Golden Tate, whose presence in the backfield should have been a neon sign saying "THEY’RE THROWING TO ME." 

[rayzor]

I usually enjoy ur posts, but i couldn't disagree with u more on this. Of course we would LIKE to score 42 points per game, but thats not what this game dictated. Every game has its own rhythm and pacing. We played to the level of our opponent (a GREAT opponent mind u), and shot ourselves in the foot. We don't have to score 5 TDs per week to win. We have to score 1 more point then the other team, and even with all our problems, we were an un-lucky fumble away from that happening. You think the 49ers and their #1 defense is poo-ing themselves cuz they gave up almost 30 points. Hell, they gave up 3 more TDs then we did. Every game has its own pace, uve never seen a game where the offense is in hurry up, spread, zone reads, scores 53 points, and the defense is completely shut down and has 6 turnovers, and they win 53-3. That doesnt happen. A tone is set and both teams follow it. They win 34-28 vs the packers, and are in a 13-13 overtime battle vs the Cardinals.

Am i saying we are as good as the 49ers? Hell no. But i think u fail to realize every game has a pace to it and you cant just look at one number and make all assumptions and base the future of this team on one score from one team on one game.

 

again, i'm not asking for 42 points. i'm asking for more than 12. that shouldn't be unreasonable or too much to ask. as i said elsewhere, 23 other teams this weekend managed to score more than 12 points and by the time tonight is over there will probably have been 25.

 

only one team scored less than us.

 

7 points wasn't enough to win. 13 points would have been. one more TD or two FGs would have put us over the top. that's not too much to ask.

 

this offense was pathetic. it didn't move the ball enough. even rivera said that the passing game was too conservative. i don't know why people are excusing the poo they left on the field yesterday. the offense failed. the players on offense failed. the game plan failed. the playcalling failed.

 

there is no reason that this team shouldn't have put up at least 12. there's no reason that this team shouldn't be scoring 20+ points per week (league average was 23.5 last year). this offense has the talent to put it off.

[NavyPF4L]

Is it 4 yet?

[MuMouey]

again, i'm not asking for 42 points. i'm asking for more than 12. that shouldn't be unreasonable or too much to ask. as i said elsewhere, 23 other teams this weekend managed to score more than 12 points and by the time tonight is over there will probably have been 25.

only one team scored less than us.

7 points wasn't enough to win. 13 points would have been. one more TD or two FGs would have put us over the top. that's not too much to ask.

this offense was pathetic. it didn't move the ball enough. even rivera said that the passing game was too conservative. i don't know why people are excusing the poo they left on the field yesterday. the offense failed. the players on offense failed. the game plan failed. the playcalling failed.

there is no reason that this team shouldn't have put up at least 12. there's no reason that this team shouldn't be scoring 20+ points per week (league average was 23.5 last year). this offense has the talent to put it off.

Yes in a complete and absolute vacuum, we should score more then 12 points a week but thats not this game dicated. If we went back to our 2012 offense and ran zone option reads and threw it all over the field, there's a GREAT chance we score more then 12 points. But guess what? That also comes with INTs, turnovers and more 3 and outs then u can count. Thus meaning the seahawks get more plays, more opportunities, etc. and they would have scored much more as well. with the Seahawks having the best secondary in the league, and ours being bottom 5. U really think a shoot-out gives us the best chances to win? No. Us playing conservatively and masking our weaknesses, kept Seattle conservative as well. Our game plan worked. We had the game won, and the fumble cost us.

Seattle had to really exectute on 2 drives ( the TD and the last clock killing driving) and they did on both. Pretty easily. Spending an entire 60 min game with that team fully attacking us the best they can would have been much much worse for us

[wine-o and cheese-doodle]

 

 

 

 

this offense was pathetic. it didn't move the ball enough. even rivera said that the passing game was too conservative. i don't know why people are excusing the poo they left on the field yesterday. the offense failed. the players on offense failed. the game plan failed. the playcalling failed.

 

 

 

Shula's game plan was cast in stone. No adjustments and no finding their weaknesses. Play the same game throughout and hope we don't look bad and to many fans they didn't look bad. But I can assure you that many of the vets on this team know they are being wasted.

[rayzor]

Yes in a complete and absolute vacuum, we should score more then 12 points a week but thats not this game dicated. If we went back to our 2012 offense and ran zone option reads and threw it all over the field, there's a GREAT chance we score more then 12 points. But guess what? That also comes with INTs, turnovers and more 3 and outs then u can count. Thus meaning the seahawks get more plays, more opportunities, etc. and they would have scored much more as well. with the Seahawks having the best secondary in the league, and ours being bottom 5. U really think a shoot-out gives us the best chances to win? No. Us playing conservatively and masking our weaknesses, kept Seattle conservative as well. Our game plan worked. We had the game won, and the fumble cost us.

Seattle had to really exectute on 2 drives ( the TD and the last clock killing driving) and they did on both. Pretty easily. Spending an entire 60 min game with that team fully attacking us the best they can would have been much much worse for us

 

the game plan didn't work because we lost. we shouldn't have been put in the position that a fumble at that point would cost us the game. we should have gotten on the scoreboard more and we absolutely could have. i can't believe that there would be any game plan that would say "hey, all we need to do is score twice and we've got it made". the game plan should have included a plan on every possession to get points on the board or at least get the team in FG range. if it didn't, then someone needs to be fired right away.

 

people are trying to find a way to justify this loss or make it seem like we did everything right but still came away with the loss, but i'm contending that either we didn't do everything right and that is why we only scored once and lost the game because of a fumble or we did do everything that the plan called for, but we had the wrong plan for the game.

 

whatever, things didn't work out. we should have scored more. we absolutely could have scored more. we should have put ourselves in better position to win and we didn't. the offense failed the team and cost it a win.

[TheRumGone]

Yes in a complete and absolute vacuum, we should score more then 12 points a week but thats not this game dicated. If we went back to our 2012 offense and ran zone option reads and threw it all over the field, there's a GREAT chance we score more then 12 points. But guess what? That also comes with INTs, turnovers and more 3 and outs then u can count. Thus meaning the seahawks get more plays, more opportunities, etc. and they would have scored much more as well. with the Seahawks having the best secondary in the league, and ours being bottom 5. U really think a shoot-out gives us the best chances to win? No. Us playing conservatively and masking our weaknesses, kept Seattle conservative as well. Our game plan worked. We had the game won, and the fumble cost us.

Seattle had to really exectute on 2 drives ( the TD and the last clock killing driving) and they did on both. Pretty easily. Spending an entire 60 min game with that team fully attacking us the best they can would have been much much worse for us

 

that to me is not trusting our offense and not trusting Cam.

 

part of his strengths as a qb is his ability to make big plays. You mix and match both of what Cam was doing yesterday and what he has the ability to do.

 

like i have said before I don't know if this was Shula's game plan (he was afraid of seattle's secondary and stressed this to Cam) or if Cam just didn't want to take any risks himself.

 

PhillyB's post in another thread was pretty spot on; these next two games are crucial. If we stomp the Bills, that 3rd game against a good Giants team will show exactly how our season will go: will it be like last year where we crumble or will we finally put something together and finish 2-1 at the bye with momentum.

[rayzor]

Shula's game plan was cast in stone. No adjustments and no finding their weaknesses. Play the same game throughout and hope we don't look bad and to many fans they didn't look bad. But I can assure you that many of the vets on this team know they are being wasted.

 

that's what i got from cam's comments yesterday. they came in with a plan and stuck. too bad that plan didn't include adapting what you do when it doesn't work.

[panthers55]

if it doesn't get into the endzone or at least set up a FG, it failed and you didn't move the ball well enough.

 

aside from one drive, this was a failure of an offense.

That is a very simplistic point of view.  If you start out your own 5 yard line and you drive the ball 40 yards essentially flipping the field and punt, that is successful.  You didn't score points but you did a good job versus going 3 and out and giving them a short field.  Very few teams drive the ball 80 yards or more consistently which is what you imply.  Most teams play field position and score when they get a short field or a big play.  We had poor field position most of the day, that almost always results in low scoring even if you are the Patriots.

[panthers55]

that's what i got from cam's comments yesterday. they came in with a plan and stuck. too bad that plan didn't include adapting what you do when it doesn't work.

What didn't work?  We moved the ball all day. Most of the drives stalled due to mistakes by players.  If it ain't broke then why fix what it.  Williams doesn't fumble and we score and this isn't an issue.  Wilson pulled some of those throws out his butt.  They didn't make many adjustment either.  It was a hard fought defensive battle.

[panthers55]

that to me is not trusting our offense and not trusting Cam.

 

part of his strengths as a qb is his ability to make big plays. You mix and match both of what Cam was doing yesterday and what he has the ability to do.

 

like i have said before I don't know if this was Shula's game plan (he was afraid of seattle's secondary and stressed this to Cam) or if Cam just didn't want to take any risks himself.

 

PhillyB's post in another thread was pretty spot on; these next two games are crucial. If we stomp the Bills, that 3rd game against a good Giants team will show exactly how our season will go: will it be like last year where we crumble or will we finally put something together and finish 2-1 at the bye with momentum.

What part of: Shula called for Cam to make big throws down the field and Cam didn't do it don;'t you understand.  Cam didn't trust the receivers and his own line.  He was the one who went conservative not Shula.  Cam admitted as much yesterday.

[Jai]

The PLAYERS left plays out on the field yesterday.  The coaching was hardly the issue.

[wine-o and cheese-doodle]

 . Most of the drives stalled due to mistakes by players.  If it ain't broke then why fix what it.  

 

I must admit to not understanding this reasoning. Actually it blows all the main circuits in my brain. I guess I'm just unable to comprehend higher reasoning.

 

[Seltzer]

Had we won you all would have said it was the greatest gameplan in 60 years. John Fox was a football mastermind until 2010, remember?

 

 

Well, at least 2009.  I'm pretty sure he was never going to recover from the "picked a bad day to have a bad day" press conference