Im not quite sold on the idea we need a offensive mind for our next HC.

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something tells me gettledude aready knows his next coach...

I think it's going to me somebody from the Coughlin tree :-(

[Ruff]

Former DCs;

Bill Bellicheck/Tom Brady

Mike Tomlin/Ben Roethlisberger

Pete Carroll/Russell Wilson

John Harbaugh/Joe Flacco

Tony Dungy/Peyton Manning

Marvin Lewis/Andy Dalton

John Fox/Peyton Manning

Chuck Pagano/Andrew Luck

Mike Smith/Matt Ryan

Former OCs

Mike Mccarthy/Aaron Rodgers

Gary Kubiak/Matt Schaub

Sean Payton/Drew Brees

Tom Coughlin/Eli Manning

 

 

You're giving some of those guys credit for guys that they didn't develop. For example, Peyton was awesome before John Fox ever even thought about having him, Big Ben had won a Super Bowl before Tomlin became a HC, Brees was a Pro Bowl player while he was still in San Diego.

 

I wouldn't link all of those QBs to those coaches.

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I think it's going to me somebody from the Coughlin tree :-(

Why? Because Gettleman was with the Giants?

Keep in mind that Gettleman also has ties with Mike Shanahan from his days with Denver. He could surprise some and go with Kyle Shanahan or a unorthodox choice like Rick Dennison.

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[Kuech the Sneak]

I kinda hope the new HC keeps McD

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Think O'Brien could be lured from Penn State?

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I thought Rivera was gonna be a good coach when we hired him so I am disqualified from this thread.

 

So did I.

 

In our defense, we didn't spend a couple of days interviewing him and talking to other professionals around the league before we approved of the hire. We just went off his success as a DC and what sort of coach he told us he would be at his first presser. 

 

Turns out he was either lying (not likely) or he just didn't have a clue how to put his plan in place.

[mwright350]

First and foremost, let me say this is in no way a thread saying I am against hiring a OC or offensive minded HC next season. If he is the right guy for the job, I am very much for hiring a OC. But what I am saying is I strongly disagree with this notion that some Panther fans have that "we need to hire a offensive guru to grow with Cam as our next HC." Or "Its OC or bust!" While I understand in these dire times in Panther land, a lot of fans want complete change and want us to hire a OC just for the sake of changing things up, but looking at this objectively, im not so sure im sold on that and here is why.

Former DCs;

Bill Bellicheck/Tom Brady

Mike Tomlin/Ben Roethlisberger

Pete Carroll/Russell Wilson

John Harbaugh/Joe Flacco

Tony Dungy/Peyton Manning

Marvin Lewis/Andy Dalton

John Fox/Peyton Manning

Chuck Pagano/Andrew Luck

Mike Smith/Matt Ryan

Former OCs

Mike Mccarthy/Aaron Rodgers

Gary Kubiak/Matt Schaub

Sean Payton/Drew Brees

Tom Coughlin/Eli Manning

So whats my point? What am I trying to say? My point is this, I know a lot of fans are saying we must hire a OC that grow with Cam and while in theory this does make sense, I am just not sold on the notion that we HAVE to hire a offensive minded HC for Cam to have any future success. As Bill Bellicheck, Chuck Pagano, Pete Carroll and Tony Dungy can back up, the bottom line is you can still have a dynamic, franchise QB and explosive QB with a defensive minded HC. My bottom line to this is, I dont want us to reach for a offensive minded HC just for the sole purpose of change. I will be completely fine with another defensive coordinator aslong as he proves to be a very solid HC candidate.

 

Your premise is flawed in that the idea isn't that we must have an offensively minded HC for this team it's that we're more likely to get what we want out of one.  Yes we *can* have an explosive, amazing, innovative offense with a defensively minded coach but it's just not as likely.  I don't want an offensive coach for the sake of change.  I want an offensive coach because I am tired of watching the offense of this team be patched together, poorly managed, poorly planned, poorly implemented, poorly coached, and neglected.   We don't live in a perfect world and we won't hire a perfect coach...they'll lean where they lean based on what they know best.  We have an amazing athlete with leagues of untapped / undeveloped talent at QB (A QB who could lead an offense that has the rest of the league worrying about playing us).  Of course noone wants to reach for a lesser talent at HC just for the sake of having an offensive coach (and I don't think I've seen anyone advocate settling for a lesser candidate to that end either) but if I'm faced with two candidates who have similar qualifications I'm picking the guy with an offensive mindset every time at this point.  For this team, a team that really needs a philosophical kick in the ass to properly use the ONLY offensive player we've drafted recently who's still playing, the offensive guy is just more likely to get the job done.

 

It also can't be ignored that on the list of former DCs you have two entries for Peyton Manning (one of which is really old and outdated) and one for Brady - I feel like you or I could coach one of those guys and look pretty OK doing it.  I'm also not sure that the Andy Dalton entry does much good for that category...Cinci appears to be playing "please don't let Andy hurt us" ball right now.  I would also mention that Carroll was widely regarded as an NFL flop until he spent some time as a head coach for USC then came back to the NFL with Seattle.  

 

Not listed in the OP are: Bruce Arians (OC), Doug Marrone (OC), Rob Chudzinski (OC), Jason Garrett (OC), Jim Schwartz (DC), Gary Kubiak (OC), Gud Bradley (DC), Joe Philbin (OC), Leslie Frazier (DC), Rex Ryan (DC), Dennis Allen (DC), Mike McCoy (OC), Jeff Fisher (DC), Mike Shanahan (OC), and Mark Trestman (OC).  The incomplete list of OC vs DC coaches in the league both heavily favors listing former DCs vs former OCs and ignores NFL coaches who have one mindset over the other (see: Jim Harbaugh / Chip Kelly).  It's a bad data set and doesn't really do much for the stated opinion when completed.  

 

Not that I think it would matter...not every team is the same and not every team needs the same kind of coach.  

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Why?

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Because I'm a Panther fan and I have grown accustomed to not having nice things.

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Think O'Brien could be lured from Penn State?

 

I wish. But, there was a report last year of him having a MASSIVE buyout in his contract to dissuade NFL teams from trying to ****** him up.

[mwright350]

I wish. But, there was a report last year of him having a MASSIVE buyout in his contract to dissuade NFL teams from trying to ****** him up.

 

Is it wrong that not being able to say ****** makes me laugh like a 2 year old?

[Kuech the Sneak]

Think O'Brien could be lured from Penn State?

Heard he loves it there and wants to stick it out

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Heard he loves it there and wants to stick it out

Kind of figured that. I watched the ESPN special on him during training camp and he seemed like he has bought into that place.

[Lloyd Christmas]

Coaches? We don't need new coaches. We need a new quarterback. Cam sucks. I can't believe this team wasted a #1 draft pick on him, especially when we could have drafted an o-lineman or placekicker or something. Hell, Scam shouldn't have been anywhere in the first round much less at #1. He has been given all the weapons he needs. Five offensive linemen, a stable of speedy all-pro level wideouts, a superb OC who bases his entire gameplan around Cam's abilities (or disabilities) and a Superbowl winning HC. Scam is the odd man out here. He has a chicken wing for a arm, the vision of a bat, the legs of a sloth and the brains of a jellyfish. I would trade Scam for Blame Gabbert straight up.

[cardiackat88.]

Former OCs

Mike Mccarthy/Aaron Rodgers

Gary Kubiak/Matt Schaub

Sean Payton/Drew Brees

Tom Coughlin/Eli Manning

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Out of these there has been 4 total Super Bowl wins in the last ten years, not bad ya know...