Eventually #89 will be told to leave. Get over it.

[therealmjl]

Sorry you're a homer man....out of all our WR's his production is the one who dipped, and we won without him. You better be happy Nicks is available and the Giants chose to throw the money at Victor Cruz instead of him. Without that we wouldn't even be able to afford him.

Smith is a huge distraction....thus the 18000000093884893894803 threads about him. He's beaten up teammates so bad it ended their career......see Taye Biddle....he had to accept an injury settlement after that. Gettleman was telling the truth, and if he would have said the same thing about Byron Bell all of you detractors would be singing his praises. He didn't though.....he told the truth about Smitty.....who apparently deserves special treatment over his teammates another reason while he needs to go. Smitty thinks the rules don't apply to him.

I didn't know Steve Smith beat up Taye Biddle.

Oh the things you learn on the Internetz!

[BANE]

What a crappy thread. OP, take 10 min before you click "post" next time. There's less of a chance of you posting crap if you just stop and think for a bit

[TheMaulClaw]

Homer? Oh no he didn't, somebody hold me back!

 

Really though. Which other receiver on our roster had 1,000 yards receiving in 2013?

 

It's not as if Steve Smith didn't just have nearly 1,200 yards in 2012 or anything. Oh, you mean he did?

 

If you are still that hung up on things that happened like 5 years ago or more, you are the one with the problem, not him. Sorry man.

 

No receiver had a 1000yds....not even close including Smith even though he made like 4 times more then the other receivers.....and more then our best weapon Greg Olsen who had more yards, receptions, and touchdowns.  

 

As bad as Lafell is perceived to be he only finished with like 135 fewer yards....and more td's and better ypc...same with Ginn.

 

I'm not hung up on what the guy did 2 years ago....that's what Hurney did.  I'm not arguing Steve Smith's past production.  I have a hard time believing he'll be able to replicate what he did two years ago after the knee injury and aging.  That's a crappy stuck in the past argument.  I don't get your point.

 

He had a decent year 2 years ago so we need to keep him?  Even though he hasn't been a viable redzone threat in like 3 or 4 years.   Even in that year he only had 4 tds.  Our problems on offensive side of the ball especially towards the end of the year was in the redzone....not from 20 to 20.  

 

Get me a guy that can catch a pass in the redzone other then Olsen who opponents focus on.

[TheRed]

No receiver had a 1000yds....not even close including Smith even though he made like 4 times more then the other receivers.....and more then our best weapon Greg Olsen who had more yards, receptions, and touchdowns.  

 

As bad as Lafell is perceived to be he only finished with like 135 fewer yards....and more td's and better ypc...same with Ginn.

 

I'm not hung up on what the guy did 2 years ago....that's what Hurney did.  I'm not arguing Steve Smith's past production.  I have a hard time believing he'll be able to replicate what he did two years ago after the knee injury and aging.  That's a crappy stuck in the past argument.  I don't get your point.

 

He had a decent year 2 years ago so we need to keep him?  Even though he hasn't been a viable redzone threat in like 3 or 4 years.   Even in that year he only had 4 tds.  Our problems on offensive side of the ball especially towards the end of the year was in the redzone....not from 20 to 20.  

 

Get me a guy that can catch a pass in the redzone other then Olsen who opponents focus on.

 

We put a bigger emphasis on running the football last year. Steve Smith, and Greg Olsen have been Cam's go to guys, and their numbers from last year are pretty close splitting catches. Olsen had 2 more TD's, but the same average, and 71 more yards with 9 more receptions.

 

Lafell had one more TD than Smith, and basically disappeared at the end of the season, I've gone into that with you in another thread.

[RoaringRiot]

Why don't you look up Rice's stats after he left the 49ers  then tell me San Fran didnt make the right choice TO or not.

 

 

How did you miss the entire point? It's not about being right or wrong in moving on from the player, it's about having a viable replacement.

 

 

Red's right on this one.  Getting rid of Smitty because "it's time" when there is no replacement makes ZERO sense.  My only acceptance to the thought of losing him involves a clear replacement plan for the future.  

[TheMaulClaw]

We put a bigger emphasis on running the football last year. Steve Smith, and Greg Olsen have been Cam's go to guys, and their numbers from last year are pretty close splitting catches. Olsen had 2 more TD's, but the same average, and 71 more yards with 9 more receptions.

 

Lafell had one more TD than Smith, and basically disappeared at the end of the season, I've gone into that with you in another thread.

 

Difference is that Olsen is a TE making less money putting up better numbers.  His YPC are on par with TEs.  Either way when you start justifying Smith's numbers to a TE who had better numbers.....it means he shouldn't be number 1.   

 

If he was willing to take a cut and be a good teammate, fine let him stay.  But he's not, so bye Steve.

[TheMaulClaw]

We put a bigger emphasis on running the football last year. Steve Smith, and Greg Olsen have been Cam's go to guys, and their numbers from last year are pretty close splitting catches. Olsen had 2 more TD's, but the same average, and 71 more yards with 9 more receptions.

 

Lafell had one more TD than Smith, and basically disappeared at the end of the season, I've gone into that with you in another thread.

 

Difference is that Olsen is a TE making less money putting up better numbers.  His YPC are on par with TEs.  Either way when you start justifying Smith's numbers to a TE who had better numbers.....it means he shouldn't be number 1.   

 

If he was willing to take a cut and be a good teammate, fine let him stay.  But he's not, so bye Steve.

[TheRed]

Difference is that Olsen is a TE making less money putting up better numbers.  His YPC are on par with TEs.  Either way when you start justifying Smith's numbers to a TE who had better numbers.....it means he shouldn't be number 1.   

 

If he was willing to take a cut and be a good teammate, fine let him stay.  But he's not, so bye Steve.

 

Well that's where we keep getting hung up. You keep going back to how much he's being paid, but then want to sign guys for that amount, or even more. We all know that our salary cap situation isn't exactly the best, it's workable of course, but it's not desirable right now.

 

If Gettleman decides to part ways with Steve Smith, I just don't see it very likely that he goes out here and signs a high price FA receiver.

 

By the way, you brought up Boldin just a few posts ago, he already signed another contract with San Francisco.

[Peppers90 NC]

so the alternative is definitely out of the question?  you know, the one where he says he is leaving....

[TheMaulClaw]

Well that's where we keep getting hung up. You keep going back to how much he's being paid, but then want to sign guys for that amount, or even more. We all know that our salary cap situation isn't exactly the best, it's workable of course, but it's not desirable right now.

 

If Gettleman decides to part ways with Steve Smith, I just don't see it very likely that he goes out here and signs a high price FA receiver.

 

By the way, you brought up Boldin just a few posts ago, he already signed another contract with San Francisco.

Yeah I just found out about Boldin.  That's true.  I didn't see anything on him resigning until today.  

 

I'm not hung up on the money we're spending on a number 1 receiver.  My issue is.....we're dedicating 7 mil this year (plus incentives?) to an aging injured vet coming off one of his most disappointing years. I would rather take that same money and spent it on a bigger, faster, younger receiver.   I can't be that dumb since Gettleman seems to feel the same thing in essence.

 

I feel like you're trying to put words in my mouth to an extent and argue against things I've never said.  I've never said we can get a realistic replacement for 2 mil a year.  Please find my quote where I said that and quote it back so I can reference it and apologize to you if I have.

 

I do have an issue with how much Smith makes relative to his production this past season coupled with variables X:  His age. Y: His knee.  Z: His documented negative influence in the locker room.

 

Perhaps even if only two of those three variables existed I could get on board.

 

TheRed I'm sorry if I have attacked you a little.  Seems to be our huddle's relationship dynamic we share.  That's all in fun.  

I do understand what your arguments are and off season football roster speculation is subjective and your a good loyal fan.  I just think that with the new CBA and the amount of talent that is available coming out of college these days if a GM wants to build a consistently winning team then he needs to make roster evaluations and decisions like a cold blooded reptile.  It's not that GMAN shouldn't work on his verbage, and be more complimentary of his players in public....he probably learned his lesson.  

 

But when it gets down to brass tax and behind-closed-door decisions...then he needs to be emotionless and not give in to public demand.  

 

I guarantee you if Smith is let go it means that Nicks in on the way.  He might already have a verbal with Nicks.  Just because a replacement isn't technically on the roster now....doesn't mean there isn't one lined up.  

[TheRed]

Yeah I just found out about Boldin.  That's true.  I didn't see anything on him resigning until today.  

 

I'm not hung up on the money we're spending on a number 1 receiver.  My issue is.....we're dedicating 7 mil this year (plus incentives?) to an aging injured vet coming off one of his most disappointing years. I would rather take that same money and spent it on a bigger, faster, younger receiver.   I can't be that dumb since Gettleman seems to feel the same thing in essence.

 

I feel like you're trying to put words in my mouth to an extent and argue against things I've never said.  I've never said we can get a realistic replacement for 2 mil a year?  Please find my quote where I said that and quote it back so I can reference it and apologize to you if I have.

 

I do have an issue with how much Smith makes relative to his production this past season coupled with variables X:  His age. Y: His knee.  Z: His documented negative influence in the locker room.

 

Perhaps even if only two of those three variables existed I could get on board.

 

TheRed I'm sorry if I have attacked you a little.  Seems to be our huddle's relationship dynamic we share.  That's all in fun.  

I do understand what your arguments are and off season football roster speculation is subjective and your a good loyal fan.  I just think that with the new CBA and the amount of talent that is available coming out of college these days if a GM wants to build a consistently winning team then he needs to make roster evaluations and decisions like a cold blooded reptile.  It's not that GMAN shouldn't work on his verbage, and be more complimentary of his players in public....he probably learned his lesson.  

 

But when it gets down to brass tax and behind-closed-door decisions...then he needs to be emotionless and not give in to public demand.  

 

I guarantee you if Smith is let go it means that Nicks in on the way.  He might already have a verbal with Nicks.  Just because a replacement isn't technically on the roster now....doesn't mean there isn't one lined up.  

 

I haven't gotten any feeling that you were trying to attack me. no worries. Just engaging with you, I can tell that you are clearly knowledgeable. I don't agree with some of the things that you have said about Steve Smith, but that's just the way things go on a message board.

 

I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, but speaking on the real possibility of what options we would be looking at if we cut Steve.

 

Now on the salary, I do agree that reworking his deal would obviously be the most optimal solution, whether he wants to still remains to be seen. As far as who we would replace him with, I just feel that if the goal is to go younger, it should also be to go a little cheaper.

 

I'm not against bringing in Nicks, if we did it for the right price I would be okay with it. But for me, it wouldn't be on the premise that he is coming in to replace Steve Smith. Just as you are concerned about Steve's recent injury, I am the same for Nicks ability to stay healthy.

 

Regardless of what happens with Steve, in this years draft we have to address WR. Our inability to draft one is why we are here. I've been generally happy with everything Gettleman has done so far, all I've said is that he should be a little more careful in speaking to the media.

[heel31ok]

whatever! he won't be told to leave.

[Jangler]

lol

[heel31ok]

Difference is that Olsen is a TE making less money putting up better numbers.  His YPC are on par with TEs.  Either way when you start justifying Smith's numbers to a TE who had better numbers.....it means he shouldn't be number 1.   

 

If he was willing to take a cut and be a good teammate, fine let him stay.  But he's not, so bye Steve.

he doesn't need to take a pay cut. You don't cut someones pay for a dip in one year. There is no trend so far to say he is in decline as he has had similar dips in his career.