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No Joke: The players apparently didn't like Gettleman

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I was president of my fraternity in college, and after years of our chapter having presidents doing absolutely nothing, I got a lot of pressure from our national office and the school to establish order and rules to improve things or else our good times were gone. Our guys didn't like that too much, and I got the blame for being tough. But, it ended up winning us awards in the end and we still had a great time.

 

I tell that short narrative because Gettleman went through the same thing (on a way bigger scale). New leadership doing logical things that replaces old leadeship that sucked can sometimes create anger amongst those below until they get used to it. Gettleman is building a winning team with accountability. That's what defines success after all, accountability.

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Getting paid is respect.

This all damn day

 

Plus, fug your respect for the GM, players need to respect their teammates and coaches; that's where the game is anyways. Your contract has nothing to do with your team and the product that you are apart of ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD

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As was posed to me, do you really believe that Gross actually likes Gettleman? Really? **in deep voice** Really? **in deeper voice**

 

Yes, yes he does.  You know how I know?  Because Gross actually said he did.  He said that he didn't like him at first, but then he took the time to get to know him, and his opinion changed, that he now likes him.

 

And lets be accurate here, nobody on the team (not Jordan Gross, not Steve Smith, no one) has talked about not liking Gettleman on a personal level.  The reason Gross didn't like him is because Gettleman asked him to give back money.  Same with Smitty.  It's not that they actually have a problem with Dave Gettleman the person, they just don't like that he's doing things they don't like and are not used to...and the fact that it is all they had to go on.

 

They're used to being handled with kid gloves, and now they are dealing with culture shock.  Hurney's way of doing business was counter to the way things are typically done in the NFL...particularly on the better teams.  He was so focused on building a family atmosphere and loyalty that he often struggled to make the tough decisions.  But all good GM's know you sometimes have to make those tough decisions...even if it is unpopular with the fan base.      

 

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Yes, yes he does.  You know how I know?  Because Gross actually said he did.  He said that he didn't like him at first, but then he took the time to get to know him, and his opinion changed, that he now likes him.

 

And lets be accurate here, nobody on the team (not Jordan Gross, not Steve Smith, no one) has talked about not liking Gettleman on a personal level.  The reason Gross didn't like him is because Gettleman asked him to give back money.  Same with Smitty.  It's not that they actually have a problem with Dave Gettleman the person, they just don't like that he's doing things they don't like and are not used to.

 

They're used to being handled with kid gloves, and now they are dealing with culture shock.  Hurney's way of doing business was counter to the way things are typically done in the NFL...particularly on the better teams.  He was so focused on building a family atmosphere and loyalty that he often struggled to make the tough decisions.  But all good GM's know you sometimes have to make those tough decisions...even if it is unpopular with the fan base.      

 

 

I understand your point, but I think I'll take Gross at his word---now, and then.  I've really been playing a little bit of the part of the Devil's advocate in this thread for discussion's sake, but I do believe that Gross actually likes G-man in his own way.  I also believe that like Hardy said, G-man "ticked" everybody off with his "money-first attitude".  And when someone is playing with your money, you tend to get upset, and sometimes the relationship is damaged irreparably. That's just the way it is. When those types of things happen, the line between the personal and the professional get blurry or even disappear sometimes. That being said, I think that most of the players probably like G-man now (even amid still learning each other), because they all pretty much are realizing and know where each other stand. So at the end of the day, most of them realize that it's not personal. and mend bridges from there. 

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I love me some Dave Gettleman.

 

You go, Big Dave.

 

Know who else has a "family" atmosphere, but has gone to the New England Patriot philosophy of cutting or restructuring overpriced veterans?  The Seattle Seahawks, that's who.

 

I've heard they're a pretty good team.

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You can be a good general manager without your players hating you. Players love to come play here because of the organization's reputation

 

 

 

Outside of draftees who DON'T HAVE A DAMNED CHOICE, which huge impact free-agent player who has made an impact has chosen to come to Carolina because they just "loved to come play here"?

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I understand your point, but I think I'll take Gross at his word---now, and then.  I've really been playing a little bit of the part of the Devil's advocate in this thread for discussion's sake, but I do believe that Gross actually likes G-man in his own way.  I also believe that like Hardy said, G-man "ticked" everybody off with his "money-first attitude".  And when someone is playing with your money, you tend to get upset, and sometimes the relationship is damaged irreparably. That's just the way it is. When those types of things happen, the line between the personal and the professional get blurry or even disappear sometimes. That being said, I think that most of the players probably like G-man now (even amid still learning each other), because they all pretty much are realizing and know where each other stand. So at the end of the day, most of them realize that it's not personal. and mend bridges from there. 

 

The first bolded part confused me a bit.  I can't tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with what I said.  Because I was using Gross's words to say that initially he didn't like him, but does now. 

 

The second bolded part I think goes to what I stated, that the team was/is going through a bit of culture shock.  They are used to be handled with kid gloves, but now are being exposed to the harsh reality of an efficient NFL business model. 

 

With the third bolded part, I don't think anything has happened to permanently damage any relationship here.  The most it has done is bruise some egos and cause a few hurt feelings, and they can be easily repaired with an open sit down...as long as both parties actually want to repair it.  So if Gettleman really wants to work thing out with Smitty, he can and will.  Whatever ultimately happens will be a choice and intentional decision, not a PR mistake.

 

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Part of the American way is to use a motherfuger up as long as you can, while giving him the lowest wage, and then put his ass out to pasture if he's lucky---lucky enough not to be sent to the glue factory.

 

 

Please send me to the millionaire glue factory of "put out to pasture" NFL players.

 

Please?

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