Why Blame Gettleman?

[RoaringRiot]

Unless we go WR with our top two picks and they turn out to be the second coming of Jerry Rice and Cris Carter, respectively, I'm gonna say our cast of lovable losers is probably gonna be a little bit below what we had last season.

 

 

That's a pretty bold statement considering we don't even know who they are yet.  I choose to wait and see the roster before making my initial judgement.  Then I'm going to wait and see how they do in OTAs and camp before making another judgement.  

[Carl Spackler]

That's a pretty bold statement considering we don't even know who they are yet.  I choose to wait and see the roster before making my initial judgement.  Then I'm going to wait and see how they do in OTAs and camp before making another judgement.  

 

If Gettleman decides he wants to do something with WRs other than cut them or take them to dinner and tell them what team fits them better, like, I don't know, signing a couple, it'll go a long way toward some more optimism on here. 

 

It'll also go a long way toward scoring points.

[scarface]

....I blame Hurney.

[Khaki Lackey]

If Gettleman decides he wants to do something with WRs other than cut them or take them to dinner and tell them what team fits them better, like, I don't know, signing a couple, it'll go a long way toward some more optimism on here.

It'll also go a long way toward scoring points.

First off season, huh? They let us draft players from college later in the spring. And free agency last through next week, I think.

[Peppers90 NC]

Hurney will be blamed on here for another 3 years or so, OP is too new or something

[Carl Spackler]

First off season, huh? They let us draft players from college later in the spring. And free agency last through next week, I think.

 

Oh hell, really? Damn that's awesome. I can't wait to see what rookies and assorted Arena Football League players people will deify next. 

 

But seriously, the point is, most of the talent is gone at WR. No efforts heretofore have been made to alleviate WR issues other than taking a couple of them out to Del Frisco's for some steaks and advice on what AFC team to join.

[Gin and Juice]

Gettleman, your savior has made numerous comments on how good the "core" is. Go ahead name the core players on the panthers.

1)Cam

2)Kalil

1)Luke

2)Star

3)Hardy

4)tied CJ/TD both are aging and soon to be replaced

Everyone else is easily replaceable with cap space

[Gin and Juice]

When Gman signs a washed up/has been back up QB to starter money and then trades away two/three years worth of top 3 round picks for an RT and project WR then I will get out the pitch fork!!

However, releasing an aging no.2 WR making number 1 money and a back up safety is the worse he does then I'm still on board and buying in

[Carolinaguy]

Gettleman has a job and that's to support the Pied Pipers above him. Their philosophy hasn't changed, they just made an adjustment to quit the buddy style of Hurney, and go hard nose with Gettleman. There is still some solid two's and three's at WR in free agency. The Scouts are saying this is a banner year at WR in the draft, so it will be interesting how it plays out. 

[TheRed]

Has anyone considered blaming Hurney for all this yet?

[MHS831]

HOW HAS HURNEY's INCOMPETENCE IMPACTED THE PANTHERS GOING INTO 2014--His Drafting prowess at positions of importance and need:

 

DE, causing us to franchise Hardy:

• Peppers leaves, signs a deal to play for Chicago that lasted 4 years and paid him less that $11 m per season.  No problem though--
• Everette Brown, the player who cost us a first rounder (17th overall) to move up in the second (pick 43) round to draft, busts like a jack o lantern in a November dumpster.
• Frank Alexander, the fourth rounder we gave a third to get, has not really stepped up.

If any of these players had stayed/stepped up, we would not have to tag Hardy.  He cannot re-sign Peppers, He whiffs twice in 2 draft trade-ups. 

 

WR, the reason everyone is so frantic about losing a 35-year old WR:

• 2002---no WR selected
• 2003---Walter Young
• 2004---Keary Colbert, Drew Carter (splash)
• 2005---no WR selected
• 2006---no WR selected
• 2007---Dwayne Jarrett, Rhyne Robinson (splash)
• 2008---no WR selected
• 2009---no WR selected
• 2010---Brandon Lafell, Armanti Edwards, David Gettis (splish splash)
• 2011---Keahola Pilares
• 2012---Joe Adams

That could not suck more.  If 1 of the above stepped up and became a factor, Smitty would not be such a hot topic now.

 

OT:  After Gross, it gets ugly

• 2006: Rashard Butler
• 2007 No T drafted
• 2008:  Jeff Otah (not that this was his fault, but his knees and work ethic became instant problems--look what Hurney did after 2009 to support the RT position), Geoff Schwartz (a solid guard for KC last year who was released by Hurney after playing well here),
• 2009: No T drafted
• 2010: No T drafted
• 2011: Lee Ziemba (7th round)
• 2012: No T drafted

Wow.  Hurney releases the best lineman he drafts during this stretch of OL restocking.  Repeat- In a 5-year period, Geoff Schwartz, a player Hurney cut, has turned out to be his best offensive lineman selection since Travelle Wharton was drafted in 2004. 

 

Defensive Backs:  Think Hurney was good at drafting top talent in the defensive backfield? Let's take a look:

• 2002---Dante Wesley, Brad Franklin
• 2003--Ricky Manning Jr., Colin Branch ( Was good for a year or two; guess we liked Cousins and Howard a lot)
• 2004--Chris Gamble (traded up in the first round)  This is where Hurney stopped bringing in decent DB talent.
• 2005--Ben Emanuel (Hurney was drafting UCLA players at an alarming rate)
• 2006--Richard Marshall (meh--very average for a second round pick)
• 2007--CJ Wilson
• 2008--Sherrod Martin, Captain Munnerlyn
• 2009--Jordan Pugh, RJ Stanford, Robert McClain
• 2010--Brandon Hogan
• 2012--Josh Norman, DJ Campbell

 

16 Defensive Backs in 10 years.  I will say that 3 (Gamble, Marshall, and Munnerlyn) experienced success.  Don't forget about the free agents he had to bring in to supplement these ball hawks--people like Nakamura.

 

Defensive Tackle:  After Jenkins (Hurney did not draft Jenkins), what did we do?  Let's take a look:

• 2002----No DTs
• 2003----No DTs
• 2004----No DTs
• 2005----Atiyyah Ellison 
• 2006----No DTs
• 2007----No DTs
• 2008----Nick Hayden (we were screaming for a DT that year--Hurney delivers)
• 2009----Corvey Irvin (I had him as a 7th rounder--Marty had him as a third rounder.)
• 2010---No DTs
• 2011---Terrell McClain, Sione Fua  (Boom. problem solved)
• 2012---No DTs

 

Dang.  That is pathetic.  He reached on every pick and found a dud every time.  10 years, 5 DTs drafted, 0 stick.  Point?  If Gettlemen did not have to go after 2 DTs in 2012, could we have addressed other needs? 

 

Gettlemen had to address deficiencies at DT last year; this year, he had to franchise Hardy and will attempt to address DB, WR, and OT.  Had Hurney been simply below average in these areas, we would not be in panic mode.  Instead, he sucked balls in these areas--the reason they are our areas of concern today.  Throw in the stupid contracts, and it was almost as if the Saints, Bucs, and Falcons were paying him, not JR.

 

 

 

 

[WOW!!]

HOW HAS HURNEY's INCOMPETENCE IMPACTED THE PANTHERS GOING INTO 2014--His Drafting prowess at positions of importance and need:

DE, causing us to franchise Hardy:

• Peppers leaves, signs a deal to play for Chicago that lasted 4 years and paid him less that $11 m per season. No problem though--
• Everette Brown, the player who cost us a first rounder (17th overall) to move up in the second (pick 43) round to draft, busts like a jack o lantern in a November dumpster.
• Frank Alexander, the fourth rounder we gave a third to get, has not really stepped up.

If any of these players had stayed/stepped up, we would not have to tag Hardy. He cannot re-sign Peppers, He whiffs twice in 2 draft trade-ups.

WR, the reason everyone is so frantic about losing a 35-year old WR:

• 2002---no WR selected
• 2003---Walter Young
• 2004---Keary Colbert, Drew Carter (splash)
• 2005---no WR selected
• 2006---no WR selected
• 2007---Dwayne Jarrett, Rhyne Robinson (splash)
• 2008---no WR selected
• 2009---no WR selected
• 2010---Brandon Lafell, Armanti Edwards, David Gettis (splish splash)
• 2011---Keahola Pilares
• 2012---Joe Adams

That could not suck more. If 1 of the above stepped up and became a factor, Smitty would not be such a hot topic now.

OT: After Gross, it gets ugly

• 2006: Rashard Butler
• 2007 No T drafted
• 2008: Jeff Otah (not that this was his fault, but his knees and work ethic became instant problems--look what Hurney did after 2009 to support the RT position), Geoff Schwartz (a solid guard for KC last year who was released by Hurney after playing well here),
• 2009: No T drafted
• 2010: No T drafted
• 2011: Lee Ziemba (7th round)
• 2012: No T drafted

Wow. Hurney releases the best lineman he drafts during this stretch of OL restocking. Repeat- In a 5-year period, Geoff Schwartz, a player Hurney cut, has turned out to be his best offensive lineman selection since Travelle Wharton was drafted in 2004.

Defensive Backs: Think Hurney was good at drafting top talent in the defensive backfield? Let's take a look:

• 2002---Dante Wesley, Brad Franklin
• 2003--Ricky Manning Jr., Colin Branch ( Was good for a year or two; guess we liked Cousins and Howard a lot)
• 2004--Chris Gamble (traded up in the first round) This is where Hurney stopped bringing in decent DB talent.
• 2005--Ben Emanuel (Hurney was drafting UCLA players at an alarming rate)
• 2006--Richard Marshall (meh--very average for a second round pick)
• 2007--CJ Wilson
• 2008--Sherrod Martin, Captain Munnerlyn
• 2009--Jordan Pugh, RJ Stanford, Robert McClain
• 2010--Brandon Hogan
• 2012--Josh Norman, DJ Campbell

16 Defensive Backs in 10 years. I will say that 3 (Gamble, Marshall, and Munnerlyn) experienced success. Don't forget about the free agents he had to bring in to supplement these ball hawks--people like Nakamura.

Defensive Tackle: After Jenkins (Hurney did not draft Jenkins), what did we do? Let's take a look:

• 2002----No DTs
• 2003----No DTs
• 2004----No DTs
• 2005----Atiyyah Ellison
• 2006----No DTs
• 2007----No DTs
• 2008----Nick Hayden (we were screaming for a DT that year--Hurney delivers)
• 2009----Corvey Irvin (I had him as a 7th rounder--Marty had him as a third rounder.)
• 2010---No DTs
• 2011---Terrell McClain, Sione Fua (Boom. problem solved)
• 2012---No DTs

Dang. That is pathetic. He reached on every pick and found a dud every time. 10 years, 5 DTs drafted, 0 stick. Point? If Gettlemen did not have to go after 2 DTs in 2012, could we have addressed other needs?

Gettlemen had to address deficiencies at DT last year; this year, he had to franchise Hardy and will attempt to address DB, WR, and OT. Had Hurney been simply below average in these areas, we would not be in panic mode. Instead, he sucked balls in these areas--the reason they are our areas of concern today. Throw in the stupid contracts, and it was almost as if the Saints, Bucs, and Falcons were paying him, not JR.

He didn't have to franchise Hardy.

[MHS831]

He didn't have to franchise Hardy.

Ok, if you need everything to be literal and concrete:  He was in a position where he and the coach felt compelled to do that in the best interest of the team considering all options.

 

I bet you hear WOW a lot.