Gettleman speaks......finally

[panthers55]

take a chance on what? you pretty much compared Stewarts ankle to Cams, and since he continues to have problems, the other guy will. you do pay someone, if he is your franchise QB. 5th year option should be used in order to get the long term contract done.

I love how you and others take one concept out of a post and beat it into the ground.  As I said before no one is saying Stewart is the same as Cam.  But when you have any player who is undergoing surgery for a chronic injury and by all admissions this injury has lingered since college, you don't want to invest a hundred million dollars until you know everything is fine and you have to do it.

 

At this point there is absolutely no reason to extend him.  If you think there is, then what it is?

[TheRumGone]

we gutted the WR corp we are waiting to gut the RB corp. The D has a core but even that was in question and will be in question in the future depending on how much money we have to spend on it after we pay Cam and Luke. that is the point. We don't have a complete D and when the "core" is ineffective we can't stop anyone. That is not how you advance in the playoffs.

so the core as it stands is not good enough to take us to the next level. We may have a core but not the core that can get us where we need to be. that is undeniably still a work in progress which will be a continual work if we overpay for Cam and then for Luke. That is not hard , it certainly is not rocket surgery.

Rocket surgery? Dude we have a franchise qb a franchise center and a franchise te. We have franchise players all over the defense. We just need to draft well around cam. This isn't rocket science.

[Jangler]

penis doctors

[heel31ok]

Rocket surgery? Dude we have a franchise qb a franchise center and a franchise te. We have franchise players all over the defense. We just need to draft well around cam. This isn't rocket science.

and if you can't afford to pay them it does no good.The core we have is not enough and if we overpay for Cam and Luke it will never be enough. Having a core and keeping a core long enough to win a Championship are two totally different things, dude!

[MHS831]

overpaid is not according to the market but according what the team has to spend. If we overpay what you say is not the long term plan will become the long term plan. I did not try to insult you I laid out the situation. if that offends you that is on you.

 how much will the cap go up each year? How much will our committment go down with current contracts? how much will we have to sign Cam and Luke? Answer these and show what will be left and if it is workable I will aknowledge but right now I say it isn't and agian this plan you say is not long term will be an annual ordeal for however long the contracts last or the patience of G-man lasts.

 

Calling people naive because they disagree with you is an insult.  Not on me, but when I consider your brand of logic, I see where you probably think so. 

 

 

[MHS831]

ROCKET SURGERY? 

 

How did I miss that?

 

We did not gut the WR corps---they were already gutted.  We refused to pay top dollar for mediocre talent. Lafell drops 1 in 7 passes...Smitty is 35 and shows signs of calling it a career with 745 yards....Ginn has a decent year for a guy who runs 1/2 of the route tree.  They were not good, one of the biggest reasons we had one of the worst offenses in the NFL

 

What part of that group did you want to keep?  If you say Smith, remember that it is going to cost you an average of $8 million per year and guarantees his money until he is 37.  That would be stupid.  If you say Lafell, why?  He could not get open vs. Man coverage and dropped the damn ball 14% of the time.  Ginn?  You want to pay a #3 WR what he was paid in Arizona? 

 

Nobody gutted the WR corps.  It had been neglected for a decade. 

[top dawg]

Say what you want. If you really think that Cam is the franchise QB, then it would be better to sign him to a long term deal before the start of the season if possible.  If not, then I suppose you have to let it ride, and hope that the cap is considerably increased.

[mcdougal]

I love how you and others take one concept out of a post and beat it into the ground.  As I said before no one is saying Stewart is the same as Cam.  But when you have any player who is undergoing surgery for a chronic injury and by all admissions this injury has lingered since college, you don't want to invest a hundred million dollars until you know everything is fine and you have to do it.

 

At this point there is absolutely no reason to extend him.  If you think there is, then what it is?

 

This has been answered. The answer: Andrew Luck.

[Jackofalltrades]

This has been answered. The answer: Andrew Luck.

Hogwash.

[panthers55]

This has been answered. The answer: Andrew Luck.

That isn't an answer.  Newton will get paid consistent with the top quarterbacks in the game and it won't be just looking at Luck.  Look what guys like Romo got and you would have a hard time saying he is better than Newton at this point.  Luck will be just one factor which determines what Newton gets just like Kaepernick, for example.  Whether he gets paid this year or next, he will be close to 20 million per year but he won't be holding out because he knows that whatever we pay him will be more than the franchise tag which is what we slap on him if he doesn't sign a long term deal.  

[mcdougal]

Hogwash.

 

How is waiting until Luck and the Colts set the QB market not a reason for the Panthers to act?

[Rise of The Hive]

Not coming to terms with Cam this offseason will be a big mistake.

 

I hope we don't end up having to draft another QB soon and start this clock all over again.

[mcdougal]

That isn't an answer.  Newton will get paid consistent with the top quarterbacks in the game and it won't be just looking at Luck.  Look what guys like Romo got and you would have a hard time saying he is better than Newton at this point.  Luck will be just one factor which determines what Newton gets just like Kaepernick, for example.  Whether he gets paid this year or next, he will be close to 20 million per year but he won't be holding out because he knows that whatever we pay him will be more than the franchise tag which is what we slap on him if he doesn't sign a long term deal.  

 

Kaepernick and his agent based their 18 million request off of what Cutler just got. One QB can have a profound effect on what other teams and players do. Just one.

 

In other words, if Cam gets extended for 10 million, you don't think that would affect Kaep? It doesn't mean that Kaep would not sign for 18 million, but Kaep would lose a considerable amount of ammo.

 

If Luck signs his over bloated 23+million contract, every QB from Newton to Rodgers to Kaep to Manning will throw Luck a party.

 

But like I said, if I was Newton I would actually wait for Luck.

[mcdougal]

Cam has to be smart about his contract. Yes, he's gonna get paid. After all, he's had a historic first three seasons in the NFL. However, he's gotta look at the 2013 Ravens. They broke the bank for Flacco and how did that turn out? Baltimore lost valuable team players and replaced them with young prospects. The end result? A very disappointing season and a possible rough future if their draft picks don't pan out.

If Cam wants to win, he will indeed take it 'easy' on The Panthers. He needs Kuechly, Lotulelei, Tolbert, Kalil, Short, Olsen, Hardy, Johnson, etc too.

 

If by taking it easy you mean at least market value...then we agree.

 

Thinking that Cam is going to sign a deal less than what Romo/Stafford/Ryan get compensated is a dream ESPECIALLY after being the first player to be subjected to the rookie wage scale.