With these one year deals won't we be in the same situation we were this year next year if these guys out perform their contracts.

[DOMOMAN]

The Problem with a One-Year "Prove it deal" is that if they prove it, you have to pay them the big bucks.. we don't have big bucks due to cap situation and therefore when players perform to get that big payday someone other than us will give you that money, and most likely overpay (See M. Mitchell)

[carolinarolls]

yes and who cares

 

The Panthers will quickly become known as the destination for well known players who want or need to revitalize their careers.

 

remember we are after the performance and the acts, not so much getting attached to the individuals that perform them.

 

Fresh faces keep coaching, staff, teammates sharp and focused on doing their job.  It also keeps opposing coordinators guessing and gives us a chance to get a quick start each season.  

 

If you have confidence in your core and your coaching staff, this model can be very rewarding.  I like it.

 

 

[carolinarolls]

The Problem with a One-Year "Prove it deal" is that if they prove it, you have to pay them the big bucks.. we don't have big bucks due to cap situation and therefore when players perform to get that big payday someone other than us will give you that money, and most likely overpay (See M. Mitchell)

 

 

no

 

no you don't

 

why buy the cow?  All we want is the milk.

 

 

hit 'em and quit 'em mentality.  

[carolinarolls]

no

 

no you don't

 

why buy the cow?  All we want is the milk.

 

on to the next one.   

 

[Thorrez]

I know about the Hurney saga what about moving forward? I don't like the idea of doing the 1 year contract thing every year.

We can move forward when the saga no longer have impact. It still has, and will through 2015 so deal with it.

Do you prefer a four year vet minimum contact with a bad player or a one year one with a guy with potential?

[OneBadCat]

so we didn't draft well last year? i don't see the point except same thing just a year later.

Less holes you have to fix.

[heel31ok]

We can move forward when the saga no longer have impact. It still has, and will through 2015 so deal with it.

Do you prefer a four year vet minimum contact with a bad player or a one year one with a guy with potential?

 

neither if we have to do it every year. That is the point , if this is going to be the MO then I don't see things moving forward but starting over every year.Will this cap hell saga continue just no longer be associated with Hurney ? Will the contracts of Cam and Luke keep us right where we are?  I see nothing wrong with the 1 year contracts for a minute but not for years and years.

 

[bleys]

Gettleman has talked about this being the method they must face until the dead money is cleared..  so yeah, he's addressed this question...

 

 

with that said, 

 

 

Don't go bringing logic into this. Hail Gettleman!

 

feel better?

 

[bleys]

again that is not the point. if you don't know the numbers it cannot be said well worth it.Just moving money around and staying in same situation, or condition is not well worth it.If we don't gain something under the cap then it is not worth it.so I know some have the whole cap thing worked out, that is the question can we gain good space in the cap number after signing Cam and Luke to move past the current 1 year contract mode of operation?

 

Beason counts 8mil towards the cap this year.  Next year I expect we gain that number back in instant cap space.  

 

Godfrey is 5.5 this year.  Cap hits typically always rise, so if he stays this year, then whatever number he would count towards next year is off the books when he is finally cut.

 

DWill will save some money next year when he gets cut but I'm not sure how much.  It has to be more than 4million..  or around there.

 

 

so to better help explain this overall..  each year we are gaining ground on about 22mil in cap space taken up by just 4 players (DWill, Stew, Beason, Godfrey)..  3 of which will come off the books next year in some form or fashion.

 

And if we don't sign Hardy long term, we instantly free up 13mil more in cap space.  If we do sign him, I don't expect his cap hit (regardless of what he makes per year) to be more than 4-8mil in the first 2-3 years...  

 

And CJ is getting very expensive, so if we sign Hardy, then chances are very good we'll end up cutting CJ within the next 2 years, freeing up about another 10-15mil dependiing on when that happens..

 

 

 

so with having 22mil in basically "dead money" (even if Stew/DWill play and contribute), then you have to understand what Gettleman has already stated:  It's inevitable that we'll have a lot of turnover the next few years.  They expect to always have the bottom roster rotating in and out, which I completely agree with, but as the dead money leaves players outside the bottom 10 won't be so volatile..   There will simply be more money to pay outside of 1 year deals, which is nearly impossible to do now.

 

They aren't signing 1 year contracts because that's their main philosophy.  It's being dictated by the thing that happened before Gettleman...

[AceBoogie]

Players play well- you pay them, you win games.

We had one man that wanted to pay everybody and now we got Scrooge.

[heel31ok]

Beason counts 8mil towards the cap this year.  Next year I expect we gain that number back in instant cap space.  

 

Godfrey is 5.5 this year.  Cap hits typically always rise, so if he stays this year, then whatever number he would count towards next year is off the books when he is finally cut.

 

DWill will save some money next year when he gets cut but I'm not sure how much.  It has to be more than 4million..  or around there.

 

 

so to better help explain this overall..  each year we are gaining ground on about 22mil in cap space taken up by just 4 players (DWill, Stew, Beason, Godfrey)..  3 of which will come off the books next year in some form or fashion.

 

And if we don't sign Hardy long term, we instantly free up 13mil more in cap space.  If we do sign him, I don't expect his cap hit (regardless of what he makes per year) to be more than 4-8mil in the first 2-3 years...  

 

And CJ is getting very expensive, so if we sign Hardy, then chances are very good we'll end up cutting CJ within the next 2 years, freeing up about another 10-15mil dependiing on when that happens..

 

 

 

so with having 22mil in basically "dead money" (even if Stew/DWill play and contribute), then you have to understand what Gettleman has already stated:  It's inevitable that we'll have a lot of turnover the next few years.  They expect to always have the bottom roster rotating in and out, which I completely agree with, but as the dead money leaves players outside the bottom 10 won't be so volatile..   There will simply be more money to pay outside of 1 year deals, which is nearly impossible to do now.

 

They aren't signing 1 year contracts because that's their main philosophy.  It's being dictated by the thing that happened before Gettleman...

 So when all the dead money drops off we stand where 30 mil ? less? I think we are looking at more than that to sign Luke and Cam so where is the relief, where is the extra money to get out of this perpetual revolving door of vet mininums and 1 year contracts? 

[csx]

Players play well- you pay them, you win games.

We had one man that wanted to pay everybody and now we got Scrooge.

It's is called cause and effect.

 

A scrooge is someone who has money and won't spend it. A fool is someone who has none and lives rich by mortgaging the future.

[bleys]

 So when all the dead money drops off we stand where 30 mil ? less? I think we are looking at more than that to sign Luke and Cam so where is the relief, where is the extra money to get out of this perpetual revolving door of vet mininums and 1 year contracts? 

 

to what extent are you wanting me to explain this?  If I need to pull out a calculator it's going to cost you..  Just send me some billing info and we'll set you right up....

 

I will say I think 30 million will pay for Cam, Luke, and Star for a few years...  Leaving 100 million (just off this years cap, it'll continue to rise) to sign quite a few contracts for the rest of the team...  3 cornerstones of their caliber should be huge for future success.  Those players make everyone else better.  

 

And just in case you weren't aware, a major part of "consistent success" is going to be Gettleman hitting on favorable draft picks more often than not..  And then the coaches have to coach..

 

kind of a big picture scenario..  hope it helps..