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The actual reason Armanti is on the team...

Sep 01 2012 07:03 AM Zod Carolina Panthers
I seem to remember at OTA's back in 2010 Hurney was asked about Armanti and what was in store for him.

Hurney's reply, and this is going from memory, was that the Panthers would be transitioning him to WR and have a three year plan for him to develop in that role.

Well, here we are starting out year three. And while most of us don't believe he has shown enough to be kept on the roster, it is hard to deny that he has improved a bit as a player. So he has not regressed, only made progress year after year.

So what it boils down to is Hurney being true to his word regarding Armanti. It is not unheard of for things to "click" very quickly with a third year player. Maybe it will this season for Armanti.

We all should be really hoping so.

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Armanti Edwards is on the roster because David Gettis is on the PUP. Simple as that. The Panthers have been carrying 6 WRs on the roster for many years and the numbers game is why he's still here.


Pilares would be the most at-risk of that group and I don't see him getting cut, so I agree they would have to keep 7 WRs but it's doable.

Compared to the end of yr 1 under Rivera we're currently heavy on LB's (7 vs 6) and OL (9 vs 8) and light on D-Linemen (8 vs 9). We also had two kickers at the end of last year, and Kunalic took Jason Phillips' roster spot so let's say we're on schedule at LB.

O-Line is a possible casualty (Jeff Byers being an obvious candidate since Hangartner is a reasonable starting center), and while we're carrying 9 DB's as we did last season, we're at 5 S and 4 CB vs the opposite last year. Colin Jones could be cut if he doesn't impress or DJ Campbell could be shuffled to the practice squad if they want to risk it.

Neblett is also not currently counting toward the final roster and he'll be added before Gettis, and this is all assuming we keep Neblett, Gettis gets in shape, and all WR's stay healthy.

After Joe Adams muffed that punt I suddenly missed Armanti's reliability fielding a ball. He didn't make a single mistake fielding punts last season, and only fair caught the ball 9 times so he was under some pressure for most of those punts. Didn't do anything great with them, granted, but with our offense which would you prefer? A high risk, high reward guy like Adams or someone who will never lose a posession for us?

He was able to make the jump from lost to reliable in one season. No reason to doubt he can make the jump from reliable to effective this season.


Best I can remember, Edwards wasn't that good at fielding the ball at first. Took him a while to get comfortable with it. Hopefully, Adams calms down and gets better at it, because he seems to be explosive if he can hang on to it.

Armanti Edwards is on the roster because David Gettis is on the PUP. Simple as that. The Panthers have been carrying 6 WRs on the roster for many years and the numbers game is why he's still here.

Smith & LaFell are your starters
Murphy is the #3
Pilares and Adams are KO and punt returners and are also #4 and #5
Edwards is in at #6 and while he made the 53-man roster, he likely won't dress for the gameday 45-man roster for a majority of the games..

what happens when Gettis comes back? Somebody is going away...


Assuming no one gets injured between now and then, and assuming Gettis can come back this year.
I don't know what it is about AE that makes posters go full retard with logical fallacies.
  • AE was drafted in the 3rd round at the costs of a future 2nd.
    Since when did draft position have any effect on the player's ability to produce on the field? Does their draft position dictate whether or not they will be a good player? Did AE make the price and force the Panthers to pay it? This needs to be let go. New England iirc was interested in AE which prompted Carolina to trade up for him.
  • He hasn't had a catch in his first two NFL seasons
    His first NFL season was with John Fox who clearly did not care for the pick, and even went on record saying that "it didn't look good" in regards to AE developing as a player. It's also come to light that Fox and Friends were causing rifts with the team while they left, as revealed by Smitty in a recent article. Oh, did I mention that he hadn't ran routes since HS? Yet he's supposed to come make an immediate impact on the football field? That's like expecting TheOracle or King Tarq to make an intelligent contribution to a thread. It's unrealistic and downright foolish.
  • He was a horrible return man and should be cut for it
    He was a QB throughout college. How many posters here expect Dernard Robinson to be a return monster when he's done QBing for Michigan? Anybody? No? Then why was it expected of AE? Because of the draft cost that he had no control over?
  • Hurney is too proud to admit his mistakes
    Yes, because as mentioned already, cutting Jake, Mare, Norwood, Brown, Butler, Shelton, etc really shows that. Dwayne Jarrett doesn't seem to be here anymore either.
  • I'd keep going, but I'm probably just wasting my time. The people that have already made their decision that they know best aren't going to be swayed, but hopefully you'll at least entertain me :(
I'm posting in a thread where Floppin actually called people morons for living in a fantasy world.


Huddleception.

Incorrect.

BigCat does not decide if players are here. He is not Jerry Jones, thank god.


Hmmm......he pays the bills. If he wants something/someone...I bet they'll listen
owners most def have a say in who they employ
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Hmmm......he pays the bills. If he wants something/someone...I bet they'll listen



Only if he wants to usurp the GM and Head Coach authority and cause bad relations between them.

Again, not the case. BigCat is not Jerry Jones.

The question is not COULD bigcat assert his ownership power to retain a player.

The question is WOULD bigcat assert his ownership power to retain a player.

The answer is no. Move on.

Only if he wants to usurp the GM and Head Coach authority and cause bad relations between them.

Again, not the case. BigCat is not Jerry Jones.

The question is not COULD bigcat assert his ownership power to retain a player.

The question is WOULD bigcat assert his ownership power to retain a player.

The answer is no. Move on.


Sir Yes Sir!
I still say he is gone after week six if Gettis is ready to play.

Has nothing to do with Hurney. JR wanted him here, and must still want him.


big cat aint gonna undercut his HC and GM and disrespect them.

I don't know what it is about AE that makes posters go full retard with logical fallacies.

  • AE was drafted in the 3rd round at the costs of a future 2nd.
    Since when did draft position have any effect on the player's ability to produce on the field? Does their draft position dictate whether or not they will be a good player? Did AE make the price and force the Panthers to pay it? This needs to be let go. New England iirc was interested in AE which prompted Carolina to trade up for him.
  • He hasn't had a catch in his first two NFL seasons
    His first NFL season was with John Fox who clearly did not care for the pick, and even went on record saying that "it didn't look good" in regards to AE developing as a player. It's also come to light that Fox and Friends were causing rifts with the team while they left, as revealed by Smitty in a recent article. Oh, did I mention that he hadn't ran routes since HS? Yet he's supposed to come make an immediate impact on the football field? That's like expecting TheOracle or King Tarq to make an intelligent contribution to a thread. It's unrealistic and downright foolish.
  • He was a horrible return man and should be cut for it
    He was a QB throughout college. How many posters here expect Dernard Robinson to be a return monster when he's done QBing for Michigan? Anybody? No? Then why was it expected of AE? Because of the draft cost that he had no control over?
  • Hurney is too proud to admit his mistakes
    Yes, because as mentioned already, cutting Jake, Mare, Norwood, Brown, Butler, Shelton, etc really shows that. Dwayne Jarrett doesn't seem to be here anymore either.
  • I'd keep going, but I'm probably just wasting my time. The people that have already made their decision that they know best aren't going to be swayed, but hopefully you'll at least entertain me :(



Armanti is where Marty Hurney projected him to be in year 3! http://www.panthers....2125#transcript

After Joe Adams muffed that punt I suddenly missed Armanti's reliability fielding a ball. He didn't make a single mistake fielding punts last season, and only fair caught the ball 9 times so he was under some pressure for most of those punts. Didn't do anything great with them, granted, but with our offense which would you prefer? A high risk, high reward guy like Adams or someone who will never lose a posession for us?

He was able to make the jump from lost to reliable in one season. No reason to doubt he can make the jump from reliable to effective this season.


Armanti has put more than his fair share of balls on the ground....not sure he qualifies as Mr. Reliable bc he didn't fumble one away 1 season.

And since when is being the worst returner in the NFL....reliable?

And since when is being the worst returner in the NFL....reliable?


Reliably bad?

Armanti has put more than his fair share of balls on the ground....not sure he qualifies as Mr. Reliable bc he didn't fumble one away 1 season.

And since when is being the worst returner in the NFL....reliable?


The issue is whether he deserves another year or not. He went from horrible to no mistakes in one year. So granted, the floor was very low, but the rate of progress is pretty impressive and IMO means we're better off seeing what we have in another year than carrying a 9th OL or DB that we didn't draft.

Lowest punt return yards in the NFL with no turnovers is going to start to look appealing if Adams has trouble with ball security.
When Gettis comes back Edwards goes bye bye, or they will have him "get injured" so they can put him on IR.

The issue is whether he deserves another year or not. He went from horrible to no mistakes in one year. So granted, the floor was very low, but the rate of progress is pretty impressive and IMO means we're better off seeing what we have in another year than carrying a 9th OL or DB that we didn't draft.

Lowest punt return yards in the NFL with no turnovers is going to start to look appealing if Adams has trouble with ball security.


He went from horrible to the leagues worst return man? That doesn't actually count as progress....leagues worst no matter the angle you view from.

Adams is a straight up playmaker....he isn't a Mark Jones. If you choose to go with a playmaker....they will give you some errors. That goes for all positions. Smitty, Cam, etc....scoring geared playmakers will have some fug ups.

He went from horrible to the leagues worst return man? That doesn't actually count as progress....leagues worst no matter the angle you view from.

Adams is a straight up playmaker....he isn't a Mark Jones. If you choose to go with a playmaker....they will give you some errors. That goes for all positions. Smitty, Cam, etc....scoring geared playmakers will have some fug ups.


Dude? Do you read what you post? AE did improve drastically last year as to catching the ball. Just because his return yardage does not meet your satisfaction, you call him lousy. The best PR only get 5 or so more yards than AE. Is that extra 5 yards really that important? With our O? Only to you, and a few others.

Armanti lead the league with 0 muffs. What part of that do you have a problem with? So what the return yards were minimal? He never cost us a possession. Whereas, Adams has 4 turnovers in four games. Yeah, that will turn some heads. The wrong way.

Ask Sproles, or Tolbert, or any of 20 playmakers that do not put the ball on the ground. Naming a few guys, then saying playmakers make mistakes, is exactly how you make a point. Using your own logic as a fact. Not a bad way to debate when it works.

Adams has potential. As of right now. He has plenty of time to work on his skills. Cuz this preseason has hurt him, big time. IMO, Adams is lucky he did not start the year on PS. If Rivera could have sent him down, he damm sure may have.

Adams has done so well that AE made the team. I would be willing to bet that AE is our starting PR this year.

Dude? Do you read what you post? AE did improve drastically last year as to catching the ball. Just because his return yardage does not meet your satisfaction, you call him lousy. The best PR only get 5 or so more yards than AE. Is that extra 5 yards really that important? With our O? Only to you, and a few others.

Armanti lead the league with 0 muffs. What part of that do you have a problem with? So what the return yards were minimal? He never cost us a possession. Whereas, Adams has 4 turnovers in four games. Yeah, that will turn some heads. The wrong way.

Ask Sproles, or Tolbert, or any of 20 playmakers that do not put the ball on the ground. Naming a few guys, then saying playmakers make mistakes, is exactly how you make a point. Using your own logic as a fact. Not a bad way to debate when it works.

Adams has potential. As of right now. He has plenty of time to work on his skills. Cuz this preseason has hurt him, big time. IMO, Adams is lucky he did not start the year on PS. If Rivera could have sent him down, he damm sure may have.

Adams has done so well that AE made the team. I would be willing to bet that AE is our starting PR this year.


Do you read is the question. All you are focusing is that AE didn't fumble....ignoring his inability to actually PR.

Edwards averaged a league worst 5.5 yards per punt. The best PR men only average 5 more yards? LOL. You just made that up....the 2 best averaged more than 10 yards more an attempt with multiple TDs. Every other team also had a longer best return...

Scoring playmakers do make mistakes.....Steve Smith fumbles going for extra yards, Cam throws picks trying to make a pass....your boy Tolbert puts it on the ground fighting for yards in a pile. Adams is a playmaker....he will make mistakes. Will dance and lose yards. You have to accept that playmakers will often try too hard to make a play....you live with that.

Role players.....they can't make the mistakes. They don't have the big plays to offset their mistakes.

I will take your bet. Adams has more return attempts than Edwards pending they have heathly seaons. Loser puts CRA/iamhubby was right and I was wrong in their signature.
LOL....you think Joe Adams should be on the practice squad bc he fumbled one punt? Did you not watch him? He is a natural return man.
this team is looking for home-run hitters...you know, the big play guys. they aren't interested in playing it safe, not anymore. that was foxball. adams is the perfect PR for the direction this team is going. AE just isn't that guy. the only chance he has is making it as a WR and/or adams getting hurt or really screwing up and becoming more of a liability than is worth it. as long as adams can make PR attempts like we've seen so far that gig is his.

Dude? Do you read what you post? AE did improve drastically last year as to catching the ball. Just because his return yardage does not meet your satisfaction, you call him lousy. The best PR only get 5 or so more yards than AE. Is that extra 5 yards really that important? With our O? Only to you, and a few others.

Armanti lead the league with 0 muffs. What part of that do you have a problem with? So what the return yards were minimal? He never cost us a possession. Whereas, Adams has 4 turnovers in four games. Yeah, that will turn some heads. The wrong way.

Ask Sproles, or Tolbert, or any of 20 playmakers that do not put the ball on the ground. Naming a few guys, then saying playmakers make mistakes, is exactly how you make a point. Using your own logic as a fact. Not a bad way to debate when it works.

Adams has potential. As of right now. He has plenty of time to work on his skills. Cuz this preseason has hurt him, big time. IMO, Adams is lucky he did not start the year on PS. If Rivera could have sent him down, he damm sure may have.

Adams has done so well that AE made the team. I would be willing to bet that AE is our starting PR this year.



Unless, I am seriously mistaken, I do not think this is true.

Unless, I am seriously mistaken, I do not think this is true.

you aren't mistaken.