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I’m with you, but a .500 season and then a season of 2-14 isn’t winning. And there are levels to it. Again, don’t get me wrong, I’m wait you - I would kill to get back to one season on, one season off like it was under JR. But the vast majority of that team that Fam walked into had not won anything of note. And if 2 seasons of not winning produced that environment, imagine how horrible of an environment we have now.

There it is! Of course you're that guy.

Lol. Imagine a league average QB saying this about your defense.

It's true. Most had him #1 overall or at worst the #1 QB. Only one I can think of that didn't was BR. They had him 16th overall and the third QB. PFF had him #1, NFL advisory board had him #1. Panthers and Texans both had him #1. Dunno how, never got it myself because I had him rated lower than BR did at around 18th and QB #4. I really didn't like him coming out and the reasons why (not his just size, but his processing, happy feet in the pocket and needing to be off schedule to look good) have shown up repeatedly in the NFL so far.

now you are just being a "bryce hater" lol

Your stance is completely wrong about the Smitty Cam argument. That group wasn't use to losing, that group had 1 awful season because we had no talent at quarterback. Look at that year over year and tell me those teams were losers. Id kill to be inconsistent year to year as opposed to out right laughing stock like we are now. If Cam wants to see a loser lockeroom he should swing by mint st today

Ah yes the fabled "big time throw" metric that said Bryce Young was better than Josh Allen Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow lol

TBH, as someone who has seen all his games so far in the NFL, he is far more lost than Mingo or TMJ so far. It's literally disturbing how little he seems to understand how to play the position. And, quite frankly, the most disturbing was yesterday I saw some of the Mingo disinterest for that matter.

but but but PFF told me he had some "big time throws" whatever the fug that meant

It was a wild amount of sub-200 yd passing performances.

This was cringe as hell when I first read it and its even worse now. Hopefully those stupid motherfugers wont fall for this poo again. https://www.panthers.com/news/inside-the-panthers-conviction-toward-bryce-young So what happened? Fitterer beamed while he told a story from dinner with Young when he fielded a question from the Panthers' contingent about his practice habits and weekly process. Fitterer said Young spoke with the kind of detail you can't make up, estimating his Sunday-to-Tuesday exposition took about 10 minutes. Young earnestly grinned when asked about the conversation in a press conference following his selection, saying that his weekly planning process was "a little bit long-winded of an answer; I'll save everyone from having to sit through that." But Reich, Fitterer, and Tepper didn't seem to mind it. In fact, that "long-winded" answer turned out to be a big plus. "At one point, Scott and I and Mr. Tepper kind of made eye contact, like, 'This is crazy,'" Reich said. "He got into how he was studying the film, and some of the things he said about that. I looked at Mr. Tepper; he looked at Scott. It was like, this is next-level stuff. "And listen, we've all been around, and we've all heard good stuff. The other guys said good stuff too. But this was just at a level that was different."

I think I read somewhere that statistically the defenses we faced those weeks had some of their worst performances. I completely believe it was teams playing down to their competition. Not us actually being good.

I really wonder if they are limiting schemes due to talent deficiencies on both sides of the ball.

I dont believe that poo for a second, hell man half the huddle was screaming "dont pick him" leading up to the draft. If we knew this kid sucked surely "professionals" could see it as well

As for who fixed his mechanics... Well that would be Ken Dorsey... Who also worked with Cam Newton from 2013-2017.

Please stop hiding how bad the team is behind the little talent they have. That's how Burns got overhyped, hell they were doing it to Young after his 3 games in 2 years. Just eat the mess you made without making the next mess. No player is saving them from what they built. Deal with that.

Hey mr young how are you doing?

With Josh it was about coachability, if he wasn't coachable he wouldn't be in the league right now or he'd be a backup somewhere at best. His throwing mechanics coming out of Wyoming were... Awful to say it nicely. The Bills completely revamped his throwing mechanics from the feet up over a few seasons after he was drafted. (Go look at his throwing motion from draft workouts, year 1, year 2, year 3, and then look at year 4+. His feet placement is different, his hip rotation is different, and his arm motion is different. He was literally revamped as a QB. Yes he had the physical traits but so do a ton of other QB's that are drafted with horrible throwing mechanics.

Did he not talk to the press last night? I missed it

Just another reinforcement that we not only have a talent problem due to the worst drafting in the nfl over the last five years, but our offensive and defensive game plans and schemes are not fooling anyone.

Not just going off this game, and it's not typically just one players fault...(but he was god awful in this game, saying anything else is having rose colored glasses on tight)

What’s funny is a lot of (not all) the people who didn’t want a retread HC are the ones complaining about Canales. -Mike McCarthy- did decent up until leaving Dallas -Sean Payton- Playoffs first season with Broncos -Dan Quinn- NFC Championship Game first season with Commanders -Jim Harbaugh- Playoffs first year with Chargers but “oh no” we didn’t want them here.

Pretty much Derrick isn’t a sack guy and everyone wanted to pretend like him coming back would fix our run D welp

Every one of 'those' games looked like the opponents were playing down and almost at practice level. It was a huge red flag to me but it was swept under the rug. The Jags played hard they wanted to win and they are not a good team. It's year 3 so it's going to be hard to spin this BS. With how bad the team is again we will see minimum effort from opponents at some point again so look put for it.

The Dallas game last year really stuck out and had me concerned. Looks like that concern was valid. Yes, he was impressive those last 3 games but it never felt sustainable. This game proves it wasn’t.