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can't tell what the twitter post is (twitter is blocked by corporate), but saw the Deion news last night He's right -- it's a good reminder for everyone to see their doctors regularly and get ALL the things checked out

Renfrow is +21000 as come back player of the year. Would 700 yards and 7tds win that award? That is the max output I could see from him if we have an injury early

Neither are HOF

Cam will never make it. In no universe, does he qualify. Olsen, should make it for being then first TE to get back to back to back 1000 yards, but he's not a lock. It's not political with Steve Smith. It just takes receivers a long time to make it. I doubt Davis ever makes it. Luke will be the next guy. Who knows when.

Been a week for harsh off topic news... The shooting that happened in New York City today was at 345 Park Avenue, the building that houses the NFL's main offices. No indication that anyone related to the NFL was hurt though. At least, not that I've seen.

DL good,but secondary sucks,emmmm...

A big part of getting into the Hall of Fame is having somebody among the voters, most commonly an influential member of sports media, lobbying hard for your induction. Not sure how many of our guys would have someone like that. Heck, some players even have people working as hard as they can to keep them out. (Peter King with Art Monk, for example)

It makes sense if you think about it. Hands weren’t really his issue in college. He was pretty raw in his route tree if I remember correctly. So he went all in on addressing his weaknesses vs a fully balanced conditioning. He also appears to have learned from it which is all you can ask.

It can be painful just bending over and compressing the area. I can't even imagine taking a full hit from a NFL player at full speed to the gut. Dude was tough as hell to be able to play at all under those conditions.

Wow, just looked up some stats, yea... Olsen stands no chance. What would everyone say about Zach Ertz's chances at making the HOF? Exactly, nobody would even consider it a possibility. Olsen played in 31 more games than Ertz did, but is only 595 yards and 7 TDs behind Olsen's numbers. And while Olsen has the 3 straight 1k seasons and Ertz only has 1, they each have the same number of seasons with more than 800 yards and Ertz's high season is slightly above Olsen's. A repeat of last season for Ertz, playing in 17 games with 654 yards and 7 TDs would push him past Olsen's yardage, tie his TDs, and have done it in almost a full season less of games played, while also having a SB ring. Olsen being the first TE to have 3 straight 1k seasons is pretty much the only feather in his HOF resume's cap, and unfortunately that won't be something to even get him consideration in the end.

I actually think that as long as he has a solid camp and makes the team (which is more likely than not), that Horn will have a bigger role than some expect, because he really is just different than any of the others. Most #6 WR's won't even be active on game days, let alone get any snaps. But his speed/agility is unique compared to the rest of the WR unit to where they're going to have plays in the game plan every week to utilize him. Even if at times he's just out there as a decoy to keep safeties honest by having him run some go routes, or putting him in motion for play action to force the defense to react.

That's... a wild jump to a false equivalence. If my boss called me and asked, "Why do you think you ran into issues with this project?" and I think it's because I took it easy on a routine part of the job that I mistakenly thought I had perfected/mastered, I'm telling the truth and getting better. Sounds like your industry/company is garbage and full of turnover if they don't let people grow on the job.

I'm for having a variety of receivers with different strengths. Honestly, Horn is likely to be used primarily as a return man as a rookie. Can't see finding a lot of snaps for him in front of T-Mac, XL, Coker, Renfrow, and Thielen. I mean, he's gonna be the #6 WR/return man injuries aside.

It would be great for all players to have Luke Kuechly’s preparation or Steve Smith’s competitiveness. It’s rare tho, you don’t have to have something like that to be great. Tons of greats who aren’t in love with football or the grind.

The difference is that T-Mac also regularly did it in games throughout his career too, he's not doing it just to be flashy in practice, he legitimately practices it because he's able to translate it to gamedays. Also, as I've said so many times but some people still don't like to see it for some reason, T-Mac is a such a perfect fit for Bryce that it's not even funny. Bryce excels with two things in particular, placing the ball with touch and improvising. T-Mac is outstanding at finding holes in the coverage on broken plays and giving his QB a big target to find, it's what him and his college QB (who was also his HS QB) did best. And because of his absurd catch radius, it allows Bryce to put those touch passes in a place that only T-Mac can catch it. Horn is going to be great to get the ball to in space, but realistically, pure speedsters are best with strong armed QB's who can take advantage of the deep ball and throwing it past the defense for the WR to run under it, that's not Bryce.

No he won't, and that's nothing against Brown or what he can be, but DT's are only considered "generational" when they also rack up sacks. He can still be an elite player for us, make pro bowls and all pro teams, but unless he significantly increases his sack total, he'll never make it to the "generational" label, just the nature of the position and today's game. Racking up tackles from the DL just doesn't flash enough to earn that standing these days.

So your boss brings you in and asks "what happened this past year?". And you answer "I took a breather". That doesn't work in my industry, but kudos to your soft industry and failing company.

Would rather have had Matthew Golden if we were going to go receiver. He’s going to go for 1,000 plus this year. Reminds me a lot of Antonio Brown.

I’ve seen college players doing this in warm-ups purposefully. It shows his reach I guess but at this point I’m not sold that Horn won’t end up being more beneficial considering the type of ball Bryce likes to play.

Brown had over 100 tackles as a defensive tackle. Assuming he remains healthy, if he continues those stats he will be considered “generational”

Getting to the NFL is a major accomplishment. Being a first round draft pick is only something 32 people get to say once a year. That is a huge accomplishment. He probably was relieved that he made it and that the uncertainty of the draft process was over. He didn’t shift gears quick enough and what happened, happened. I don’t know that he will ever be a true number one receiver, personally I like him better as a two which is why I wanted Matthew Goldman or whatever his name is but it is what it is.

@Zod The memories.

No one is necessarily saying they want him to be third in receptions, but that it could happen and that it wouldn't be some automatic negative. At this point we have other younger, less experienced players who could of course end up producing more than Renfrow, but depending on game dynamics and coaching philosophy regarding experience and simple execution at/on the job, there is a scenario where Renfrow gets more play than most of the guys. That's all I'm saying. Furthermore, run blocking is an understated part of the job and Renfrow isn't bad at that, but younger guys (especially rookies) need to master that before they become a regular staple in the flow of the game. In my opinion, some Huddlers are just discounting Renfrow a little too much while glorifying younger guys who still have a lot to learn. I've seen this story before. It's not about "infatuation" from the coaches' parts, and more about getting the receivers on the field who can do their job. And speaking of "infatuation," I'm not inclined to fall in love with the next best thing either. I've seen these players come and go on a consistent basis. I told people that Philly was JAG, and that's exactly how his short career played out. My advice would be to at least see players in a game before you crown them as roster material.

I agree with those that say Steve Smith won't make it. No rings and probably pissed to many people off. Neither will Cam. His dominant period was to short. Luke might, but its not a given.

This defense needs someone other than Derrick Brown to bring some mean energy I like it. Of course, I'd rather him save it for the regular season or maybe joint practices but I'll take it.