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He was also sold as the highest floor, lowest ceiling of the top 3 as well, and so far, the floor has been a basement apartment in Venice.

Its the Panthers retirement plan. Sign a big contract. Work 2 years or less. Get fired. Retirement or go elsewhere with enough money to never work again a day in your life.

I would say he has made some really good throws over the years, but the inconsistency even within a game makes it hard to believe he can ever put it all together

I don't think the QB was going to win the game for us. A ball control rushing offense would have. Especially one featuring heavy Rico usage. But Canales had other ideas, obviously. And we see how well that worked out.

He was literally sold as a galaxy brained, pro-ready QB. He's been none of those things and molly-coddled for three years.

Tough to be patient when we've seen zero flashes of greatness from him. We see the occasional flash of competence.

Thise helmets are ridiculously stupud

I guess reddit is where people like this hang out?

Lol I didn't even put that together, i thought he wanted ppl to direct message him

If Dan Morgan drafted XL because the owner's wife "suggested" it that's on him. Have some balls and take your guy regardless. If you get fired, you get fired. Why any GM worth a damn would want a job under those circumstances is beyond me. Especially Morgan, who was in a position to know how much ownership meddled in football decisions as the assistant GM under Fitterer. If he took the job knowing that he'd be nothing but a rubber stamp for the Teppers then he has little to no integrity and is just as much to blame as they are.

I don't know man. Those helmets look like something from a Fisher Price play set.

I don't think we'd have beaten the Bills with Bryce at QB given how bad the defense played but I have no doubt it'd have been at least a little closer. Dalton is a good mentor but he's clearly done on the field. Should have signed Jameis Winston for that role.

Cool helmets. The rest looks like baby diarrhea.

Hello from 2024, Josh Norris.

That's a maybe. Bryce misses a lot of reads every game. And really for the same reason Andy did there, he bailed and started running around. The more damning thing was the holding onto the ball to "extend" plays and just getting sacked. That's not Andy's game at all. Never has been. That was uncharacteristic to the point of being absurd. You are a veteran, what the actual fug are you doing fuging around back there??? Throw it the fug away or make a decision. People talk Andy being washed in terms of physical ability but I don't think that really played a factor. It was his crippling indecisiveness that literally looked like year 1 Bryce that was infuriating. He looked like Vikings Carson Wentz or Jets era Sam Darnold. It was insane.

And if he is you snatch that guy

The wife thing is infuriating because it just shows the kind of shitshow Tepper has really run and how insanely unprofessional we are as a franchise. If you have any random, unqualified family member putting their two cents in to a critical draft decision, you are already off the reservation. IMO, that can largely extend to the owner, as well. I realize they have privileges there due to the ownership but I am firmly in the camp of, "Let your football people handle football stuff." We don't do that. Tepper is too smart to let these peons run his IRL fantasy football team.

Bradford and Pennington would have passed 2nd round criteria. The 1st round criteria is a little higher and career longevity isn't factored. Years started is, because as a 1st round draft pick, the expectation is that you will be a starter and likely for a long time. But you can see why I shied away from using statistical means. You can end up cutting some objectively amazing players like Steve McNair or Cam Newton. Or even someone like Eli Manning. That's why I stayed with award/accolade or length of starting career or career. The logic being that if your peers(HOF), the fans/peers(Pro Bowl) or the media(All Pro) regarded you as one of the best, that accounts for a lot. It's taking a wide swath of largely well regarded opinions about a player's performance. In a manner of speaking so does career and starting length. That is the greater NFL(FO, coaching staffs, etc) saying that you are a valuable addition to the organization in some capacity(starter or backup). Statistics are tough because they ignore changes in the game and the vast differences in individual QB's. Cam was never a high completion percentage guy but he dominated many of the games he started. He changed the way people played us. TD:INT ratio seems like a decent enough marker but it eliminates gunslingers and especially old school style gunslingers. Guys that might have had MVP caliber performances(McNair) couldn't meet that criteria. It would probably be equally difficult to screen players by career winning percentage, QB rating, etc. Using individual statistical means to measure a career is really fuging hard. Doesn't mean I can't use them but I need input because a lot of the things I have attempted just didn't have great results in what I would say are "successful" careers. And my methodology isn't perfect. Certainly there are strong arguments against some of them people that met my criteria. Largely the Pro Bowl. I suppose I could increase that to 2+.

A few things here. This is from the Blueprint series, they are absolutely talking about what lead up to drafting XL. Go back and watch it. Again this is produced by the Panthers and they for some godforsaken reason thought it would be good to include this clip of the owners wife not only telling morgan who she liked but also it would be ok to trade up for him. The owners wife that is in the draft room. This clip could have easily never seen the light of day but yet they thought it was a good idea to include it. Talk about tone deaf. I will ask again, why the fug is she giving any input on a goddamn wr? What are her fuging credentials other then pegging the owner? So to your original question about them meddling, its not only clear they still are and they seem to be flaunting it. oh and Dave Canales is like

Bryce hits Coker here 100%

The leash is long and there's still time but he definitely exposed himself as not the offensive wiz he was cracked up to be. Looking like your average OC cosplaying as head coach. I feel like you could swap him and Evero and the results would be about the same

I don’t think Mendoza will be there when we pick. And no trade ups, thank you. The last trade up wrecked this franchise.

Do we have a good running game? It was good with Rico, but has sucked since Chuba came back in.