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And in a bad way.

Based on history I think this would push Bryce to play even more poorly as he doesn’t play well under pressure.

The Panthers are exhausting

We blew it by paying that price to move into it. I would picked CJ of the two every time but I don’t think I felt like he was worth that price either. I hate trading future 1sts I just hate it, so that was never going to be okay with me. You can’t judge from one game but Giants took Dart at 25 and he won his first start - against a 3-0 team. Yeah WC team 1pm game in NYC is a huge disadvantage but I doubt people expected that. Yeah to your point I would rather take someone that you can sit until you think they are ready. They can be found.

Agreed. IMO it's the Rhule effect and obsession with RAS, or even its predecessor, the 'Al Davis obsession with speed'. It's a college-type approach that leads to a ton of misses. Hurney did some of it too but seemed to be more along the lines of thinking guys could easily switch positions.

Also Corbetts MCL is a 6-8 week injury. The 8 week mark would be Week 10 vs New Orleans on November 9th but probably later considering conditioning, etc.

Something gotta give soon. Can't keep trying to make an example out of others while whistling along ignoring the elephant in the room.

It sure seemed like Tepper pretty much told Canales that Evero was going to be his DC so I mean, he's basically Tepper's guy. Whether it was explicitly laid out as such or whether Canales just feels like I can't step on Tepper's guy's toes I have no idea. But it sure looks like a broken working relationship. I mean, at least being on the same page as the HC with personnel on the field seems like an improvement. It's not like I'm concerned about losing Evero's brilliant plays calling. LOL

I think they need to bring Hendon Hooker up from the practice squad. Not saying start now, but they need to get him ready and maybe light a fire under Bryce. Bryce needs to know how thin his margin is right now.

You understand the potential for greatness.

Karl Hankton Jr

They are all fools. Who is Evero being managed by then if DC isn't his boss? Or is DC just getting bullied by his DC? DC signed up for this and had inside information available from his friend who hired him. Evero was there also so he signed up for this mess. He is begging his subordinate to play different guys while the subordinate is failing yet again after a historically bad showing last year? How the fug am I supposed to take any of that seriously or expect any professionalism from those clowns? It's also hard to expect anyone under Evero being more than a lateral move. He stinks, 'his' guys stink and I am going to go out on a limb and guess his chosen coaches stink too.

I'm not looking forward to watching the second half again... felt like McDaniels was trolling while watching it live. He had the LBs in a blender after getting time to make adjustments after the half. I imagine that there's probably some damning footage of DJJ vs. the run (the one thing he could do) that when combined with his special teams flubs made it impossible to keep him with Thomas Incoom right there consistently stepping up. Surprisingly, instead of overloading Zavala's side with blitzes, the Pats seemed content to just let him keep losing 1-on-1s during the first half. Gonzo is also a really, really good CB1 for them.

Released: WR Dalevon Campbell OLB DJ Johnson IR: G Chandler Zavala WR David Moore Signed: S Trevion Thomas (CAR Practice Squad) RB Deejay Dallas (CAR Practice Squad) G Jake Curhan (ARI Practice Squad) *LaBryan Ray likely to fill last roster spot, is back practicing. *Will probably use standard elevations for Jimmy Horn Jr. for WR depth with Moore/Campbell/Legette gone or injured.

Bo Nix led Denver to a 10-7 playoff birth in his rookie season. He had 29 TD's/12 INTs/93.3 RTG. He was picked at #12. Big Ben went at #11. Deshaun Watson looked like a potential HoF QB before the sex scandal and dispute with Houston management derailed his career. He went at #12. You don't have to pick in the top 5 to find a franchise guy. You just have to pick the RIGHT GUY and put him in a position to succeed. We had the 1st pick in the draft and blew it.

See the player has not been up in here insulting people that disagree with him. You have. I don’t hate you I am sure you have some good qualities but this personalizing disagreement over a player, I have had enough of it. The leaving the poo thing on someone’s post and shading people for speaking about a player - not speaking about you but a player, and you make it personal. You are by far not the only one but you have been the flag bearer for that stuff lately. Put me on ignore.

We should never have hired Morgan. I don’t trust him at all. The right hand man to Fitterer that agreed with not trading Burns should not have been hired. Fitterer should also have been gone with Rhule. The whole we should see how X does without Y so X deserves another year but us in the ass multiple times.

He's not wrong. Just like we told the Discord people who constantly complained about toxicity, they were blind to the reality that they were a big part of the toxicity they were complaining about. You poo post as much as anyone here but you justify it by claiming you're only what others started but then you'll poison pill your own threads with snarky remarks and then proceed to complain when it turns into what you baited it to turn into. Just have a little self awareness and complain less about the same stuff you also do, that's all.

I think it's easy to get pulled into the mud as it were by some of these discussions. We're all frustrated. And it's resulted in some dumb trolling from a bunch of us (from you as well, though it seems that's been a relatively new occurrence the last bit). I am hoping that a few wins or at least more complete team play will calm things but who knows when that comes... At this point, most of us know it isn't really just a single person. But the reality is the QB takes the most heat in losses and gets the most praise in wins when it isn't ridiculously obvious they didn't do much. It's why Darnold was getting some calls for MVP here after his first 3 games, and others wanted to keep him at the end of 22 despite how overall painful his time here had been. But still. The entire team looks rough and it's exposed how little control Canales seems to have. I appreciate the all-22 analysis and breakdown. Sometimes it's hard to have discussions around it because so often it's just... Things going wrong everywhere. But I enjoy the read all the same.

I didn't even know he was sick...

When you cherry pick 12 plays out of 66, the film DOES lie.

I am kind of the opposite. I mean he did this. He knows he did it. He isn’t totally an idiot, not close. It is his ego doing this and maybe it getting smacked down by the results of his meddling will embarrass him enough that he will leave it to the football people he overpays to make these judgements. But that is probably a fantasy

I'm not looking for fault so much as who was out of place and who was getting abused that we may have missed.

It really does feel like Evero has total control of the defense. Canales practically begged him publicly to play more youth and Evero didn't so now we're forced to start cutting the vets that he refuses to sit. That's just broken. If that perception is reality then we should honestly just fire Evero now and hand the play sheet to Capers if he's up to it at his age. If not, pick someone else. Pretty sure Renaldo Hill has some DC experience in his background. You just can't have a coordinator who isn't in the same library as the HC on personnel, forget the same page.

Let’s be honest here. This draft was so much worse when you realize how much we lost too. This draft was honestly a negative. We lost talent and picks. So we got 0 long term effective starters and we lost: 2024 1st overall pick, 2024 2nd (CMC trade key pick), 2025 2nd and DJ Moore. Oh, don’t forget the 2024 1st, 2025 1st and 2024 2nd that we decided wasn’t enough for Burns. That was 6-7 months before the 2023 draft. Fitterer could not have fuged this team over any more than he did in a period of 7 months. 7 months to lose Burns, Moore and CMC, lose 5 potential 1st round picks and blow an entire draft. I hope he was getting paid by the Seahawks or China to fug us that bad.