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This is so funny to me. First off you're comparing a 3rd year player against HOFs. Every QB you just mentioned is a HOF level talent. That's why I said current QBs, but anyway. So you think Manning made Thomas and Sanders? What did they do after he retired? Edelman is better than any WR this team has ever had except Smitty. TBD with Tmac. Dude was a pro bowl level punt returner before he started getting WR touches because of guys like Welker and Randy Moss! He was such a good athlete that he even played CB in big moments. Frigging Super Bowl MVP! Brees wasn't Brees in SD and he never had a squad as bad as this one. Cam, I'll give you that. But we're talking 2015 Cam only. Every other year he had better receiving targets including 3rd leg Greg. And Aaron Rodgers. Really? He sat behind a HOF QB for 3 years before he even started. And then he had Driver and Jennings. You're trying to argue just to argue. The truth is BY's rookie season has one player that's still contributing on an NFL team, kind of - Thielen. Second season, not much better. This season, at least he has a #1 talent even if he is a rookie.

You look for motivation anywhere you can get it. I've worked in sales my entire career. Do I relish every opportunity I get to take business away from a former employer? You damn right I do. LOL

Lol Wilks got him. Nothing he can even say now. Move along Baker aka Mr Me against the world.

About the Hail Mary… you probably saw but if not, we just went over that a few days ago and I learned that maybe Reich did that to piss Tepper off (heh) and that Bryce was really pissed and so was Tepper. I had intended to search out the replay of that game and look at Reich and Bryce in that moment, for fun. And look at the um, postgame, um, press conference. Haven’t done it. We are talking 50 yards. Definitely not 60. I think I maybe have seen 45 yards in a game but him throwing 50 yards, IMO, is probably gonna look like a rainbow and take a longer time to get to the target. He has to hit the driver to get that distance, can’t use the three wood or 2 iron like the big boys. Like most NFL QBs. It is kind of like Pinero, his leg is good for what it is good for but anything over a certain distance, you just can’t do. We moved on, and bang! 57 yarder. We can try them now. Said it plenty but I just don’t want that kind of limitation put on my favorite football team. Edit: and on the video of that beautiful TD to AT that was about 50 air yards? Announcers called it a rainbow lol. Anyhow, that needs to be tried more because I guarantee AT was behind those guys because they didn’t expect them to try that. If you do that more maybe you get them playing a little more off.

windows exist for basically every great QB. Go look at what Peyton turned into a top 5 O his first year in Denver with John Fox. They had nothing there worth talking about. He made Thomas. Go look at what Brady did when Gronk got hurt. He made Edelman. Brees, Lamar, Cam, Rodgers and on and on. the entire reason the Panthers could sell their fanbase on mortgaging our future on Bryce….was because they claimed he could do what these dudes could do. Which is make water out of wine when needed. Not that you want it to be that way every season. But good QBs can 100% can elevate and create players when need be

This is wading into waters that will rustle jimmies. Ultimately if you are a QB needy team that hasn't had a winning season in near a decade you start with a guy who has the necessary physical traits to largely put the ball where he wants to on any given down and build from there. That's not what the Panthers did.

You threw out some random what if scenario that has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about. So I did the same thing.

Agree with this entire post. My "looking at strike three" comment was referring to Mack's last few years where he was on cruise control.

Thanks I see the thread now and I agree I think Baker is being petty and immature

I think he proven he doesn’t have the arm to throw some of the tougher out routes. Too risky of a pick. I think he has proven he doesn’t have the arm to make a lot to tougher throws downfield when you can get him moving backward or not having an ideal setup. Teddy Bridgewater could lob it 50+. That’s not a measure of an NFL arm

From the 50 yard line, you say? Man, there are cameras everywhere these days. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iBZY75KLCwE

I don’t think that worked like you think it worked there

Wilks getting Baker and Fitterer all at once lol

I'd be fine with trading Prince. I think he's a good player with great upside, but it would save me from having to learn how to say his last name.

Trade em all to Chicago and bring back DJ!

Player for player trades have typically worked in our favor!

So who's throwing a 60 yards hail mary from a dirty pocket? You getting real carried away right now. Every NFL QB isn't Superman (Cam Newton).

Bryce has to get him the ball. Bryce is terrible

Mack was the right hire at the time. Fedora drove us into the dumpster and Mack was a guy who had proven success at the college level including in Chapel Hill. I don't think folks were lining up to jump on the opportunity and we needed somebody to come in a stabilize us and bring some credibility. Mack checked all the boxes. It's just that he wanted to stay on past his expiration date. If he'd stepped aside going into Maye's final season giving us a chance to go big game hunting with a Heisman contender as bait we could be flying high right now and Mack would be celebrated as the guy who built the bridge to get us there.

Honestly, who is on this long list of current QBs that have done more with worse receiving targets? Even Mahomes had the best TE in the league his entire career. And started out with the friggin Cheetah! Bryce does enough to make himself look bad, we don't need to be making up stuff.

Yeah I said that somewhere. People are overlooking the facts to the situation. He wasn’t in camp, and there is no way he was going to walk in and be a big part of things immediately. It shouldn’t take a real long time though, because the same coach was there in 2022 AT’s last year with the Vikings. He had 70 catches that season fwiw.

Definitely swung and missed, so far. Better than looking at strike 3, which is what Mack was for years.

Bryce theoretically could make that throw but he would need a great pocket from which to do it in because he would need to put his entire body into it. Which is what people have been saying about his lack of physical tools working against him. Which is why they brought Andy out to attempt a hail mary. I mean I have to be honest. The fact that anyone is even trying to downplay the significance of that is pitiful and shows how far we’ve fallen as a fanbase.

We need to be adding not subtracting before the trade deadline. ILB is obviously choice. Unless someone stupid enough to give us value for any of those names you mentioned

And now UNC is the utter laughingstock of all of those same programs that were "good for PR." How do you think that is gonna work out for recruiting? How do you think BB is going to handle something that he has never had to in his life, negative recruiting?