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Right now, XL is probably outside the top 100 NFL WR's. That is just not going to cut it. He certainly could turn it around but our track record in this area is very well established. When our WR's bust, boy do they bust. XL looks exactly like so many of those cases. XL has been the 9th most productive WR in that 2024 class and is likely to slip to 10th very soon as one of the guys who missed a large chunk of last season is about to pass him(Pearsall) in career production. That's not great for the 7th overall WR picked. It's a disappointment, without question. Even a the guy getting healthy scratches has still outperformed him so far. And, for the record, it was a very, very productive WR class so far.

4th read? On a playaction? Do you not watch the ALL 22? There were 4 receivers on that play. Only 2 went beyond 2 yards on a 10 yard crossing route in front of a single high safety. The TE stayed in to block before releasing on a drag route and was never a read. Coker was motioned to the right to pull a defender to the sideline. This was a clear flat route and hot if the defender came on a blitz. The RB stayed in to block on the right side. Coming out of the playaction Bryce spots the defender for a possible blitz and then goes to his primary receiver on his left. The only receiver on the left coming out of the playaction was TMac. He clearly follows TMac to the cross in front of the safety and looks off the safety to the left. This is not a read to XL. It's looking off the safety. He swings his vision back to his primary in TMac and throws the ball to the numbers (20) 10 yards over the head of the DB when TMac reaches the right hashes near the 30 yard line before TMac even makes a cut. Bryce was never leading or throwing to the receiver. He was throwing to a spot based on the movement of 2 defenders. It was up to TMac to make this play happen with perfect timing, release, sell and cut on his route. Give credit to the play design. The defense is playing that route as a sideline route and TMac makes it happen with his body position and control as he cuts/drifts 10 yards up field to the spot he knew it was going to before the play. If that were a 4th progression read out of a playaction, you'd see 4 hitch steps and the receiver would have been led to the sideline as TMac would have never known the ball was going to be thrown 10 yards over the DBs head on a 10 yard cross to the sideline. You can also tell this is the desgin as Bryce sets to the left out of the playaction with XL on his right before the cross. Then he takes 3 bounce steps to move with the pocket as XL is late to the cross. His first hitch step is to the right after TMac crosses, which is followed by an immediate throw before a cut is made by TMac. TMac was the only receiver to the left on Bryce's set, and he was one of 2 WRs to the right on Bryce's first and only hitch step. Give TMac and the play design a bulk of the credit. Bryce did well, but he didn't sell the playaction or a possible pass to XL very well. He did do very well at throwing to a predetermined spot on the field after TMac set up that crossing route perfectly with XL and Sanders both late on developing their routes. Did you catch all that on the play? For some reason, you think there were 4 progressions out of play action with the defense pressing, Bryce setting his hips to the left with all 3 receivers on the right side of what you think was his 4th option as the only receiver on the left at the snap, and only 1 hitch step to the right after TMac waits for XL to cross left. Why would you think a QB would set their hips to the left when their first 3 progressions are on the right side of the field?

Agreed, however there are many QBs that don't place it perfectly.

I know people don’t like him because, last year he did not make a catch vs Philly. Because he didn’t get a foot in on a catch so no catch because twice that I know of he went OB and did not establish himself once back IB. Whatever that means. Because they wanted Ladd. But go back and look at every one of his targets this year and see where the ball that is intended for him, is.

Yeah it was a great throw, but also, he's an NFL quarterback lol we should expect this regularly

12 Mil would literally be the 6th highest paid center in the NFL. He is a backup. He is on a $3.4 mil deal and his utility might get him slightly more than that with us specifically but that's about it. If someone wants to pay him $6-8 mil, I would let him walk in an absolute heartbeat. For that price, get one of the good free agent centers available. Or, just simply draft another utility lineman. I like Mays well enough and would love to keep him but he isn't a long term starter and we shouldn't be paying him like one. Ikey I am honestly unsure of the market on him. It could be wild or it could be less painful. Given what we have had to pay Brown and Horn recently, I suspect the Panthers bump means we need to open up the pocket book. That will hurt, no question about it. The QB I hope they just throw some darts at the board and not go bananas. But the situation has to be improved.

Yea I think you know my feelings on XL and you are right the number of WR misses recently and even in the past by the Panthers is truly among the highest mistakes. Again XL doesn't have to be a #1, that's Tmac and I think he's already there.....Just be a 16th ranked #2 guy, he should be able to do that....but it is getting past time. Bring XL into all the OTAs, mini, and TC and have the "talk"......."Listen your panther career has come to a fork and we need results". If no improvement, trade/cut. Besides the guy nearly all us wanted- ladd..... the other drafted WRs around him are MUCH worst....Coleman has been a healthy scratch and not done much when active. Polk has already been traded or Id say given up on by Varbs and the pats....They got a 6th for Polk&7th, fodder at tits best. Maybe it was a bad year for WRs.....

I'll take tremayne and his 12 rec 133 yards over at and his 8 rec and 69 yards. Add that we got paid basically a 4th for at and got a 9 year younger wr for free.

I’m just old enough to have zero interesting in trying to wish players good… and it’s flat out entertaining watch the gymnastics on Bryce and engaging with those who do it. most things in life aren’t complicated. I’m not. Neither is figuring out Bryce is not why any NFL team actually wants

Imagine wanting your WR to have a 150-200 yard game with a QB who is averaging 181 yards per game.

So XL has to have a 200 yard game to be legitimate in your eyes? This is ridiculous expectation for any WR let alone a wr that has Bryce throwing to him. Somehow you want the wr to have more yards than Bryce

I hope the Panthers front office and even Tepper calls the NFL and complanes,,along with film to back up their complaints If nothing is done about the way the Panthers were treated, it will become common for the officials to keep caling one sided games against them. I am surprised the news media, especially the local ones, are not being more vocal about this outrage.

Sir. Bryce Young has started in 42 career games and has 3 games with over 300 passing yards. And two of those were within the last month. Let's give XL a little more time.

Not that I want too, but I feel its coming down to either Icky&Mays or BY for the cap space..... Sportac has Mays sitting around 12 million per(o noes....maybe pass??) and Icky should be in around 24 million per as well.......future QB money..even for "bad" QBs could be in the 45 million range..... To me it feels like the design is draft another QB on a rookie scale and roll with the young team that's close to 26 average(minus the STers). That's feels like the dynasty start.....just got to find that young QB to drive this team......(like 25 other teams....)

He'd want Josh Allen gone after his last game

Seriously, you can't evaluate wr with Bryce throwing the ball. It's just a cop out for Bryce excusers

It's crazy to think that when XL ends up being added to that bust list how long our WR misses will be. TMac looks amazing though. I really hope he just continues to improve and be the outlier that we need.

100% at least bring him to all the OTAs, mini, and TC......and if he's not among the top 6 WRs, move on with the trade/cut. I also feel another QB would help his career. I know for a factor last year and this year, he's WIIIIIDDDDDEEEEE open on a few plays each week, just BY either doesn't see or isn't looking or already threw to another option. Run first and Tmac getting like 80% of the targets......sanders, Coker, XL, swing passes to Rico/Chubba, Evans.....there's only one ball......

Id move on from him personally

Would XL be better as a TE? He has the blocking down and his speed would be a problem for LB's over the middle.

The problem with Moton’s extension was that they put themselves in a no win position with whatever moves ended up making his cap # and dead cap # so disadvantageous. Boxed themselves in. Probably looking at Fitterer I don’t remember.

We’d have more patience if he had a few 150 yard games or a 200 + yard game. Bryce has had some elite games unlike XL. I still believe XL can be a major contributor.

You also have to factor in Dak and the.....ugh......cowboys had the best offense at different times (I think when they played the Panthers it was #1). He is on that TMJ and Dwayne Jarrett path, just exposed as "not-good" and he's about to be cut this season and for sure in the off-season I see it happening.

He would not be a big cap hit liability, but then we really need to move up the wr position in the draft or fa.

I can’t get with that. It was probably true late in Jake’s time here but when he started out here he was totally the man. Like Bryce on his best day wishes he could make some of the throws Jake made. Or tried to make lol. And exciting to watch play because he was really animated and gave it 110% every time he stepped out there. And you could see it.