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Perfectly reasonable position. Especially in the current sports media landscape where it has become intertwined with social media and that wasteland of constant grifting.

Fox's last year was pretty awful. He was already packed up and had 1 foot out the door. Who ever was the post- Rivera interim was mostly forgettable. So much that I have already forgotten his name. Ferrel? Fewer? Whatever. Rhule though is like the 1 ring to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

The trade is over and done with and he's gone and he isn't coming back. Turn the page. We've got bigger fish to fry.

I don't think he was a good one to begin with. He was probably the best of a couple willing to take the job under Tepper. Tepper got turned down by Steichen, Johnson, Ryans and who knows how many others before he offered the job to DC. This job was always a retirement fund for anyone willing to take it. Win or lose, you still win.

Can we let Canales have a real QB before we crucify him? We aren't pulling a top coach yet, need to let Dave get a season with an actual QB. I firmly believe if we had just an average QB we have at least a two game lead in the division right now.

No. It's Matt Rhule and it's not close.

Canales has the problem of an amateur lifeguard. He's trying desperately to save the career of a floundering young QB, not realizing that he is being pulled underwater by the kid and that there are 52 other players who are about to be pulled under as well. Sometimes you have to let the one go to save yourself and get to the others.

I know it's hard to believe but there is worse QB play in the NFL currently. Cam Ward Dillon Gabriel(could be done) JJ McCarthy Justin Fields(appears to be done) It's really been quite the year for insanely terrible QB play. IDK about historic but it seems to be far worse at the bottom of the league than I recall.

Frank was a guy who was headed into retirement and was lured into a nightmare setup for big money. Not a victim. Ohh and he worked the owner so hard he is srill getting g paid. He chose that over the fight at QB or with the owner. Easy call You constantly make excuses for Dave but are correct on the front office side. It's both. The DC ended Bryces career is a dead take at this point. It was the plan and they literally tried again this year when he was choking again. DC and Morgan knew what they wanted to do and what Tepper didn't allow the year before. If he wanted Young gone he wouldn't have been working on Young's technique, Tepper wouldn't know the difference. He also would have had another QB option other than Dalton who couldn't finish out a year. And he sure as hell wouldn't have repeated it this year. But he is just a HC right? It's not like a 'QB wisperer' wouldn't be consulted on resigning Dalton or what scrub they brought in... The main problem is Tepper. Dave and Dan are symptoms of that. Neither are good and neither are terrible. Both have shown recent proof they are still on the Bryce train. Dave's time is always going to be short because he was never ready and all the hype was BS. Baker wasn't fixed, he got his head out of his own arse and was put in a good situation again. If Tepper demanded a pass first approach and he allowed that to happen then he is weak AF and is worse than I currently think. Yes he has a boss but you know what the rest of us do with a crappy boss? Whatever we can think of to work that mess while planning the next job option.

Frank got a dude forced on him who couldn't do NFL basics. And we know factually, NFL coaches often are made to do things. We know often they don't get there way. That's called having a job and a boss. Those aren't excuses. People make up this mythical NFL world. Canales LITERALLY ended Bryce's Young's career here 2 games into the Canales era. That is the reality. Then there was that miracle climb out of the grave stupidity that Dan Morgan allowed by not solving the issue like the entire sports world was debating (where would he be traded to and for how much). The "benching to fix him" narrative is comical PR. Every year it's the same poo. Obvious problems are obvious. But we do all these mental gymnastics to pretend the obvious isn't the obvious. It's well documented. The problem was Matt Rhule. Majority of the board spent years spinning it elsewhere. Then the obvious problem was Fitterer. Repeat. Board spent years spinning it elsehwere and deflecting. Obvious problem right now is Bryce Young and the front office that refuses to admit they made one of the worst moves in the history of the NFL. Because when it is finally said and done.....THAT will be a fact. And that fact, will be attached to resume of a lot of people presently employed in the front office of BOA. The main problem is not Canales. And I don't blame him for not trying to win every game he possibly can as ugly as possible in spite of Bryce Young. That carries too high of odds of keeping the main problem the main problem....and screws Canales in the end. Canales will be fired next season if he can't get this group to move off Bryce Young. That's the easiest thing to see.

The squandering of a genuinely good haul of draft picks was abysmal. Scott Fitterer.

Svech

No and that is saying something. After the way Tepper handled Reich, he was the best we could get.

Half of the roster? We don't even have half of the starters that would start on most NFL teams. I also bristle at the idea of a "bridge" coach. That's letting Tepper off easy when it was juat plainly a bad fuging hire. Especially when you have guys like Ben Johnson and Shane Steichen that aren't struggling this way.

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I think the team circumstances are different than when Canales was hired. The roster was almost completely void of legit nfl talent AND nobody was going to want anything to do with Bryce. The season went exactly as it was supposed to. It’s different now. Half of the starters are actual legit good nfl players who would start on most other rosters. Good o line. Great RBs and stud WR1. Rapidly improving defense. The team is a couple offseasons away and a journeyman QB away from being very competitive. Moreover, you can rack up a lot more wins in the NFC South than any other division in football so it’s an easier road to the playoffs. You’ve got to fade Tepper, but with the talent infusion, the job is a lot more attractive of HC candidates. At this point I see Canales as a bridge coach who has basically been nothing more than a placeholder to fall on his pocket knife for BY. There is no way on God’s green earth anyone in the locker room respects him after that BS on Monday night. The only apprehension I have with wanting him gone is starting yet another coaching cycle change, but it is different this time around.

This is getting ridiculous...

No

fug him. He is a 49er now, a team I despise. Same thing I said about Cam on the Pats. I don't look wistfully at him and wish. He wouldn't have mattered a single bit in the susequent years since he left. Now Baker Mayfield.....that one hurts.

Frank chose the money and stopped caring. He is still collecting. A coach also doesn't have to play anyone he doesn't want to either. Or he could just do it and dare them to fire him. Stop making excuses. Also, him and Morgan are as tight as Frittz and Morgan were. There is zero proof he was railroaded on Bryce, Dalton or the poor #3 choices they have made. Dave got ehat he wanted which was ro sit Bryce and work on him, something Frank was denied. Please stop acting like poor Dave was the victim when what went doen last year was always Morgan and Dave's plan. Sit, reset and let Dalto buy some time. He'll they tried to do it again this year but Dalton got hurt on the forst drive. That was always 2 employees trying to force the boss into doing something they wanted. If Dave didn't want Young he wouldn't have come here and Morgan wouldn't have been successful in luring him here. Both were on the Youbg train and both still are. Dave just coached a game into a loss proving that.

If you are throwing games to spite someone or don't have the "power" to bench players, you aren't a good head coach.

Svechy

I understand why you mention the way he talks but I see it as largely irrelevant and not a needle mover one way or another. How he prepares the team for gamedays and how he coaches and the decisions he makes on gamedays are what I am concerned about. But replacing him is an issue that opens a can of worms some of us may not want to have to look at. Beginning with first and foremost if we fire Dave Canales then there is no rational logical reasoning for keeping Scott Fitterer's former right hand man Dan Morgan around. The only one who should be spared would be Tillis. But that conversation has another layer to it. At the end of the day the justified speculative assumption is that these people are glorified yes men to David Tepper. So anyone else hired will be in the same vein and possibly an even more inferior version because realistically who will want the job as either GM or head coach? So logic dictates that the most reasonable path from here unless we play horrifically the rest of the season is to completely overhaul the QB room and give Canales and Morgan one more year. Then if it is ultimately more of the same you clean house. Now some of us may not want to hear that right now and I completely understand. But that is the reality of the situation.

In my opinion, he saw the way the Panthers were going and he wanted out. Plain and simple.