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Odd that you can't figure out they both played against the same defenses so it is only fair that they be compared against those same defenses. Seriously, you couldn't figure that out, especially given I said "apples to apples".

Wherever Mitch Kupchak is and whatever he is doing he should be punched in the dick for trading away Jalen Duren.

Starts vs starts is apples to apples. starts vs letting 4th and 3rd quarter appearances skew one persons per game stats and not the other is apples and grapefruits.

No worries. I didn’t. I don’t know what is hard to comprehend. You can just look at his starts vs literally any other QBs starts and see their production as a starter…. vs letting random late game appearances by QBs skew numbers QB rating is 91.6 in his 7 starts. No math is required on your part. Or mine. but I think what happened….is you are admitting you don’t have or know the numbers yet are arguing against them.

Burn baby burn!

Also, in my post I said I would like to know why it took so long… I guess Canales needed a year and a half to figure that out? We are gonna have to adjust the timeline for him catching on to this poo.

Damn them boys letting the poo emojis fly in this thread. I detest the Saints on a cellular level. TMac all day.

In your area? Easy to find out, go to the team site and look for Panthers radio network. You can stream it in the Panthers app on tablet or phone right from that app. I think you have to be in the approved location to get the broadcast but I am not sure about that. For some reason the internet thinks I am near Charlotte when I am in coastal SC so I don’t know what to tell you there. Anyway, Luke is on the Panthers’ radio team.

Yeah I’m conflating that with one against the saints. Perfect isn’t the word I’d use

they did do that didnt they lol

You’re talking about the ball the hit TMac in the hand correct? It’s the same throw to the one to Coker. Bryce threw this ball perfectly as well. TMac does a good job at giving Bryce space along the sideline to drop it in. Which he did perfectly

Irrationality abounds on the subject, whether you suffer from it or not. Not always about you. I did not call your name. I did not quote you.

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Same people that said Bryce is better than Lawrence in week 1 this year...

I think the Saints have some pieces but are overall weak. Last week or the week before their OL was 30th in pass block win rate through the season... But QB play can change a lot there because some of that is assignments for blocking. I don't think Shough is anywhere near Stroud. If it came off that way, that wasn't intentional. It's one thing to look goodish for 7 games, be above average in some categories. Another to do it all year. And yet another to have one of the best rookie seasons of all time (Stroud). I think maybe what you're seeing is some folks trying to build up Shough to show how bad Bryce is... Not my intent. I like seeing rookies do well, though I really hope he's fools Gold because of who he plays for. It does sound like we see Shough similarly in objective ways just use different adjectives and focus on different strengths vs weaknesses... Which is fair.

where do yall get this poo from?

That's not a negative but reality. Jags have been crap for years and also in a slightly tougher division where the Bucs have been cake walking into the playoffs since Brady got there. 8 wins isn't a big jump from 5. It just feels that way since the team has been run so poorly for so long that mediocre is somehow celebrated as dominance.

why are you cherry picking stats? Thats a bit odd.......and telling

What station is he on?

Ridiculous take from someone who never watched our offense consistently. Rivera and Shula held Cam back as a passer, he never relied on his athleticism.

I think you duplicated Shough's Rams game on his Bucs one. He was 13/20 144 with an INT but had 55 rushing TDs and a 2 scores. They won this game with him playing like that. It's hard to listen to him carrying a team of scrubs when you see data like that...

There are several posters that only post negative at all times. 8 wins is a big jump from 5 and we still have 2 games. Jaguars have a much more talented roster than us and have underachieved for years.

All of this noise is just setting us up to lose Week 18 and proclaim life's not fair. If there's one thing I know in my 30+ years of watching the Hornets and Panthers, is that the bad guy always wins in the end. A team can be falling apart internally but we will still lose to them. A team's fanbase can be extra shitty and cocky and they will just win anyway. It always happens

Well even if we took diverging paths getting there...our overall assessment of Shough is the same (bolded) lol so I guess that's what matters. What you call "playing at a level that looks like a veteran starter" is the same thing I'm referencing when I talk about his poise. Although I still wonder how truly "bad" of a team the Saints are. Their defense is middle-of-the-road, and their offense does have some good pieces (Olave, Juwan Johnson) outside of running back which is the position most everyone agrees is relatively plug-and-play. I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the majority of NFL team's o-lines lol but I'm assuming Saints are not great there, although Shough's pressure % seems to have been quite low (and steadily improving) over the last four weeks (20 -> 16.7 -> 15.0 -> 13.0) so maybe they've been playing better as of late, or perhaps Shough himself deserves credit for that. Some of the language I'm hearing about Shough, including talking about how he's way above league average in several categories, makes it sound like Shough is having a rookie season on par with like a CJ Stroud who established himself as basically a Top 5-10 QB his rookie season. Maybe that's on me though, I don't mean to attribute anything to you that I'm sure you don't agree with.

Since your being selective (and somewhat deceptive) with your comparisons, I'll throw this up so we can compare apples to apples. Both Young and Shough have played against the Rams. Young went: 15/20 (75%) for 191 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs with a 147.1 QB rating Shough went: 15/24 (62.5%) for 176 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT with a 81.2 QB rating Both Young and Shough have played against the Buccs. Young went: 21/32 (65%) for 206 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs with a 102.5 QB rating Shough went: 13/20 (65%) for 176 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT with a 65.4 QB rating Both Young and Shough have played against the Falcons. Young went: 31/45 (75%) for 448 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs with a 123.2 rating Shough went: 30/43 (69.7%) for 243 yards, 0TD, 1 INT with a 74 QB rating Seriously, in what world is Shough a better QB.