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Mack was the right hire at the time. Fedora drove us into the dumpster and Mack was a guy who had proven success at the college level including in Chapel Hill. I don't think folks were lining up to jump on the opportunity and we needed somebody to come in a stabilize us and bring some credibility. Mack checked all the boxes. It's just that he wanted to stay on past his expiration date. If he'd stepped aside going into Maye's final season giving us a chance to go big game hunting with a Heisman contender as bait we could be flying high right now and Mack would be celebrated as the guy who built the bridge to get us there.

Honestly, who is on this long list of current QBs that have done more with worse receiving targets? Even Mahomes had the best TE in the league his entire career. And started out with the friggin Cheetah! Bryce does enough to make himself look bad, we don't need to be making up stuff.

Yeah I said that somewhere. People are overlooking the facts to the situation. He wasn’t in camp, and there is no way he was going to walk in and be a big part of things immediately. It shouldn’t take a real long time though, because the same coach was there in 2022 AT’s last year with the Vikings. He had 70 catches that season fwiw.

Definitely swung and missed, so far. Better than looking at strike 3, which is what Mack was for years.

Bryce theoretically could make that throw but he would need a great pocket from which to do it in because he would need to put his entire body into it. Which is what people have been saying about his lack of physical tools working against him. Which is why they brought Andy out to attempt a hail mary. I mean I have to be honest. The fact that anyone is even trying to downplay the significance of that is pitiful and shows how far we’ve fallen as a fanbase.

We need to be adding not subtracting before the trade deadline. ILB is obviously choice. Unless someone stupid enough to give us value for any of those names you mentioned

And now UNC is the utter laughingstock of all of those same programs that were "good for PR." How do you think that is gonna work out for recruiting? How do you think BB is going to handle something that he has never had to in his life, negative recruiting?

There's a thread on it. Baker has a legit beef to a point but bringing it up so early in the season kind of out of the blue just makes him look immature.

If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. UNC is 30th in NIL budget, "buying any player" isn't realistic.

I'm all for paying a coach big money. I just thought hiring an NFL lifer who is 73 years old and seems to clearly be going through some sort of late life crisis was a big mistake. All of that media attention is coming back to bite us in the ass in a big way now. It's still there, it's just focused on us being a complete clown show.

Yeah that’s why I mentioned the PFF strategy. This year was the first year we used it. I haven’t gone to confirm it but I imagine if we used a data approach in 2024 XL would be in a “off the board” bucket. XL was more of a leftover RAS king approach.

I don't know how he's won any games since he can't make NFL throws. Maybe that's why he has as many running TD's as he's gotten.

You know, I would probably ask the AD and alum that fuged up the current hire so badly. They are supposed to know, right? Oddly, that didn't work out, did it?

Some Drama between Baker Mayfield and Steve Wilks Baker says Steve traded him when he was in Carolina Steve says he didn't have the power to trade Baker or CMC Instagram (2) Adam Schefter on X: "Former Panthers HC and Jets DC Steve Wilks’ responded to the comments that Baker Mayfield made after beating New York last Sunday: https://t.co/nyk2EeIOI7" / X

Dan Mullen I could get with. Matt Entz is a complete unknown. The one thing neither of those two would've done is have UNC football constantly on Sportscenter, Pat McAfee, 60 Minutes, etc. over the course of the spring and summer. That isn't translating to wins, so it means nothing, but at the time the coverage was excellent PR and excitement for the program. Mendoza's little brother plays at Indiana. As soon as he was told he wouldn't start at Georgia (the only other school he legit considered) he was never going anywhere but Indiana, which is why he was cheap. Cignetti is making $9M a year if you include his retention bonus. So that doesn't solve your paying a coach big money issue. And to buy him out would cost UNC a literal fortune, which doesn't help your resources argument. I appreciate you at least answering the question finally.

The Panthers under the Tepper's put way too much emphasis on marketing and winning social media instead of improving the product on the field. Hell they can't get grass instead of turf right but they're sure eager to hock racoon inspired sandwiches. Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that this has yielded negative results.

When I attack someone, it will be very clear. I don’t even care that much it is just speculating and discussion. I don’t think I ever claimed the timeline varied from what you just gave. But to speculate further, the fact that he did not have an avenue to go back home does not preclude his family not being happy about not being there. Maybe they didn’t even want him to play another year, who knows?

I am not arguing with you that he didn't have world class WRs at Bama, but my statement stands. They still would have been much better than anything Carolina has put out there not name Tmac.

Too early to say. Want to see moore and athan against better competition. Beck and mendoza need to continue their level of play. Nuss needs to show more. Easy to jump on someone from 1 or two big performances but gotta see more play for the true rankings to settle.

So you really think he can't throw to the endzone from the 50? I'm not saying he has the strongest arm in the NFL, but he has more than enough arm to make all the on schedule throws. Now, I agree he ain't gonna be throwing across his body 45 yards down the field. He ain't that.

I honestly tried so hard, looked at all the players on the final year of their contracts, not likely to be resigned, could bring us anything in return. Not a long list. Had to remove people like Renfrow, Jansen, Corbett, as they are all very unlikely to be moved. Brady Christensen and Yosh Nijman were thoughts, but I felt their value was too high for us to part with.

And one is playing on a relatively weak d line, while the other is playing on arguably the best d line in the NFL.

Don't want to say that Thielen has basically checked out but jumping to another team right before the season starts, and you're working with a young QB who is effectively a rookie by not playing a whole season, and you're 100% retiring when the season is over? Of course he would've been far more productive with us because he had spent the entire offseason thinking he'd play here.

They got the Cosby treatment. Ruffied and raped.

Who the fug is trading anything for David Moore or Nick Scott? If I could get someone to offer a third for XL I'm taking it with no hesitation.