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I would say in a sense he is better because he has extended his good outings to 60 minutes a couple of times. It was a half, or even a quarter most other times. But at the same time he looks like he did in 2023 so much of the time still that it is hard to say he is better from that perspective.

Oh absolutely. If we choose the extend him, it has to be for something more in the $15-$25MM range, and that’s assuming he demonstrates more consistent play. It’d be for compensation greater than the true journeymen of the league but less than the upper half of starters. His current play doesn’t support anything remotely close to what other QBs have gotten on the first extension. I believe the 5th year option would be for a bit more than this range, but that’d maybe be OK since it’d only be a one year commitment. What’s key is that the franchise doesn’t financially strap themselves by overpaying for their QB play. Honestly, if Bryce can be a ln average QB who is clutch on occasion, paying less money for that level of performance and having more resources to build the rest of the roster may not be a terrible place to be. Sort of a “lite” version of the benefit from having your starter on a rookie QB contract.

Disagree on love and caleb being unquestioned. Love is terrible and I am not sure if Caleb is good or not

When teams don’t shoot themselves in the foot they dominate us. We need to play very well and get turnovers or it will be a blowout. I absolutely can’t trust Bryce to play well for as long as I live.

I’ve never believed in him, to be clear. Was against the trade up on principle and once it was done and a two horse race it was CJ for me. No real competition in my mind. But I wanted nothing to do with that strategy to begin with. I really feel the need for us to be shown one way or the other this year, on what Bryce is or can be. His floor is way too low. His level of play is way too inconsistent and predominantly (taking the entire schedule and results into account) is not acceptable. Just sitting here watching the world go by hoping he gives us some clarity because I am really not enjoying the state of existence we have been mired in. I just really don’t want to consider life with paying him 50 damn million dollars to beat Atlanta and a couple of other bottom feeders.

It is a tough one because there are three versions of Bryce Young and you never know which one you are going to get - Good Bryce, Average Bryce, and Bad Bryce. Stroud and Williams have really struggled as well.

I think the huge deciding factor is going to end up being whether or not we do a 5th year or if we offer an extension, and if we do an extension, what value will that extension carry. 45-50m AAV. I don't see how we can. A lesser value, maybe. It all depends on that number.

If you draft and develop good players you're gonna have to eventually pay them. Not a bad "problem" to have.

Again, Flacco is a better QB today than Bryce Young. Flacco old as dirt has been better each year. And Bryce isn’t “better” this year than other years

This whole thing just illustrates how wildly inconsistent he has been, and highlights the need for some kind of relative certainty as to what his future is likely to look like.

100% on the same page on context, and whether trading up made sense, and if your were going to, should it have been Bryce. I was a CJ guy heading into the draft, but I didn’t hate the Bryce pick at the time. But we have to make decisions for moving forward based on that context. The trade up and what we have up, regrettable as it is given that context, is a sunk cost. We have to decide whether the chance Bryce can develop further into a functional QB is greater or less than the chance you can find a retread or drafted QB that will perform better than him. I don’t know the answer to that question. It sounds like you do have an answer in mind, and it’s that the chance of Bryce being better than the alternative isn’t likely. Gun to my head, I’d say I probably agree with that take. But I’m not confident in it.

If you win the division you probably have your Bryce answer built in. So no argument with that. You could not win it and still get a positive answer, or a negative one. In the big picture that is the most important thing to me. Talking about a bunch of years not just this one.

Who’s the better qb this season?

First goal? Win the division. Everything else is gravy

Talking about ‘should be’ you have to give Green Bay that game. Yes we should have handled the Saints. I won’t say Arizona because any more in this league the first two weeks are a total crap shoot and not a great indicator of your team’s future. The shortened preseason has most teams playing catch up the first couple of weeks. IMO. I guess trading the Saints for GB puts us right where we are. which is better than we probably expected.

You want me to explain how Joe Flacco is present day still better than Bryce Young? Well, Joe Flacco and Bryce Young both played in the NFL from 2023-present day, so just looking at that window of play….Flacco has been better at almost every aspect of how we judge QB play during that window. Plus the eyeball test bonus. And we got Flacco rolling with 3 different teams to give a very diverse sample. Only Bryce Young’s mom and dad would argue Bryce has been better than ancient Flacco since being in the NFL (2023-present day).

Absolutely. But now the decision is a no brainer

You guys are just saying bs and do not actually watch the games. In what world is Lawrence better this season? 79 qb rating. 11 tds, 8 picks. Are you people even football fans? Kyler Murray hasn’t been good when he has played this year. I’d take Bryce Young over him.

Definitely not the best odds at the time (or maybe they were. Guess it shouldn't be surprising that odds changed that much from off-season to where we are today? Back in May, Vegas had... winning NFC South at +400 Canales for Coach of the Year +1500 NFC Champ +8000 SB +15000 betmgm currently shows... NFC South +550 Canales at +3000 (with Vrabel in the lead) NFC +12500 SB +30000

The last thing I worry about with this team is cap and Im glad we have spent on the OL

bro literally everyone is saying consistency is the issue. They're just hoping that Dave took the shackles off the offense, but i expect san fran to look more like green bay and the offense has to execute.

It's week 12 and we're talking about the playoff picture. We've both over and under achieved this season already. Beating Dallas was unexpected at the time it happened, certainly Green Bay and in general having a winning record this deep in. We've also underachieved by losing to Arizona and New Orleans. This team could very realistically had been 8-3 right now and probably should be. If we can be the same type of up/down over the remaining schedule then we just might sneak in. At minimum I just want to see us continue to be competitive and improving.

Also, your big post was about the QB pipeline being broken. Which is the context of my reply. It is broken. I was using Bryce as an example of it, relative to us. But the general idea of it being broken is bigger than just him. Now would people have taken a QB if they knew it would take him 5 years to develop? I might have have but lower in the draft and not had him thrown into the fire. But honestly I would have looked for a more suitable sized guy with better tools, and yeah that is Bryce specific.

Except against the Falcons.

Please explain how Flacco is better.