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I agree that the Young debate has run its course. That horse has been beaten so badly the the only thing left is a bloody spot where the horse fell dead.

How well has 7 years of Top 10 draft position gone so far?

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Lol. Not quite the same, Ive just limited my Panthers forum time lately I hate Bryce young but its a broken record until they do somthing about it..

Both of those guys had better tape on them at the time. Not much better but better than Young. But I've watched enough football to know there's always 1 team that will take a chance. So anything is possible.

I mean kenny picket and mac jones got a 5th and 6th. Somebody will take him for something. Or just cut him, doesnt matter either way he just cannot be on the roster when the new guy gets here

Right. Someone will pick him up if he's cut but I seriously doubt we could trade him for anything other than a 7th if we're lucky. He will be out of the league after 4 years of terrible qb play.

Yep. The people holding out hope for Bryce just aren't grappling with this. He is every bit as arm limited as Cam was post-shoulder injuries. Honestly maybe even more so. Then you complicate matters further with his height leading to him struggling to see the field and lacking Cam's running ability... I mean, he's cooked. You can't fix things that are unfixable. It's why coaches love players with prototypical physical tools. They all think they can fix mechanical issues or decision making issues because theoretically it's possible. You're can't coach a 5'10" guy 6'5", you can't coach a noodle arm into a cannon, you can't coach a slow guy fast. That's not possible.

It's not for him, it's for the team and fans. Whoever picks him up will either regret it or just move along after the inevitable is confirmed.

There's definitely people complaining about people being critical of him.

Nobody is trading for him.

Is there really anyone defending him at this point?

For what? Other teams watch these games too. Who is trading anything for Bryce Young knowing they're gonna be on the hook for $26M guaranteed?

BECOMING the norm... 50+ has been a regular kick attempt for like 30 years dude. I'm not complaining about his miss. I'm just saying it's funny how the one decent thing we have to talk about on the team is an average as fug kicker.

Reminds me of 2018 when teams realized that Cam’s dink and dunk success early with Norv was also due to his shoulder being shot. After they did, no one played deep and we finished 1-7 that year. Cam didn’t finished that year and played 2 games the next before being shut down.

I'm starting Dalton immediately with several weeks remaining before the trade deadline. That way if he struggles I still have options. If he goes out there and looks like ass, I'm absolutely on the phone trying to get someone like Howell or Jameis. If I'm Canales I'm realizing that if I can't show my offense can move the ball and put up points I'm probably cooked. Turnovers be damned, I have to prove my offense can actually move the ball and score.

Then you have to trade him, letting him simply play out his 4rth year and the letting him walk would be colossally moronic if that is what they are suggesting.

By the end of the year he will be #1

It all hinges on the initial conversations between Tepper and Canales. Did canales swear he could fix Bryce and produce, or did Tepper tell him to try and that if it didn't work out he would get a shot with his own guy?

The media is trying to save face just like the team is. Nobody wants to admit they were wrong anymore. So you have to understand that and take as such. It doesn't matter anymore because as John Foxx famously uttered, it is what it is.

I dunno man, XL just doesn't seem to care enough/have it. He wasn't lighting things up with Dalton last year, either.

I Pooed but unfortunately your right I forgot about the shoulder.... Also love stank not a fan of him at C though hes even smaller than aho.

"He's not the problem - he's a game manager, it's the people around him". We traded three first round picks for the guy. Even if he was a game manager (he's not - just look at those drives Dalton led on Sunday and compare them to everything outside of that first scripted drive by Young - it's night and day, and Dalton is waaaaashed), the fact we gave up so much for him absolutely makes him the problem. Teams would hesitate to trade three first round picks for Mahomes or Allen ffs.

There’s no fuging way You’d think Bryce would be smart enough to say the right things about competition and excited to earn the spot blah blah blah, but when he was benched last year his camp started feeding rumors to Russini that teams wanted to trade for him. He's a messy little entitled bitch and he’ll go down kicking and screaming for sure.

This is a pretty good commentary, though I think the whole comment on contradictory approaches glosses over / ignores the obvious: Canales is in not in charge of personnel outside the offense, and Bryce is SEVERELY limiting what they can do.