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Question is did the Vikings free up enough money to inquire Thielen?

I mean you are only talking about what 6-7 total players and one is an outlier and one is just bad. It just so happens that the only two with snaps on other teams have excuses? Diontae was good at getting separation before he got here and he was still good at it in our system, Mingo was bad at it and was still bad when he went somewhere else. It’s the only data we have on these players in different systems and both show it’s not just our system causing the separation issues.

Better not do it for a 5th, and I'm even on the fence about doing it for a 4th. I think we should trade Thielen since this is his last year here anyways and we have such a deep WR room right now, but I'd rather trade him for a LB or DB. If we can't get one of those, I think I'd want a 3rd. Once you get into the 4th, the value on the back end probably doesn't outweigh having him around this year for the young guys to learn from.

By adding an extra pick via trade this morning, the Vikings now have added ammunition to go trade for a wide receiver. They have inquired on former Vikings WR Adam Thielen, but Carolina has been reluctant to deal the respected and productive veteran. https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1959625205824827843?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

For a 5th I'd rather just keep him around. That's basically nothing.

#Vikings have added draft picks and shed salary with recent trades of Harrison Phillips and Sam Howell, setting the stage for a receiver deal. Yes, Adam Thielen is in the mix there. But the VIkings have several lines out on the position league-wide. https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1959625656033030358?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

I didnt think Howell was good enough for a first round pick, but then again I didnt think he was bad enough to be a 4 team in 3 years type player. Always thought if he figured out to stop holding the damn ball so long and trying to make something happen on every play he could be a serviceable back up.

The chances of trade between these teams is next to zero.

This is back on now. Vikings don't need Carolina to take on any of the cap after they traded Sam Howell to the Eagles. 50/50 right now depending on if Carolina is willing to take a 5th with no cap hold. (Most likely trade compensation)

I know that there's been some water tossed on the fire, but I do hope that both teams are exploring the move still. On one hand, it would suck for Bryce to lose his most trusted WR and a super solid veteran for the young guys to learn better technique from. On the other, if Hunter Renfrow is good to go, he can take that slot spot over and read defenses with Bryce like AT does. Hunter was a high school QB iirc, so he'd be a reliable safety net in the slot. Getting compensation for a 35yr old WR on the last year of his deal and having minimal drop off in production (while also giving more reps to the two first round picks) during a year that seems to be universally understood as the "Is Bryce for real?" season seems like a great move imo, especially if it allows the team to keep everyone else.

In defense of falcons coaches, he fuging sucks. multiple coaching staffs have come to this conclusion. dude literally can’t play football

There are definitely people in the Panthers front office that play fantasy football and cannot wait for Lathan Ransom to de-cleat Kyle Pitts every play for his lack of production.

He also can't play LB, as he avoids any physical contact.

Hmmmmm. I wonder if there is any correlation in making poo moves to perpetually winning 5 games. But keep defending this stupid poo by all means.

No. Sanders has the ability to be the guy. Not sure why anyone expects a rookie TE to just go gang busters.

Well, you just look to the next season where Carolina had the most expensive OL in all the NFL…..and I shared with the analytics where the exact same open and yac issues exist there. And he didn’t have 19th string OGs, he had great OGs that suited up all year. I just don’t get why people are dug into over defense of BY. We know he doesn’t have great physical tools. We know he can’t make all the throws. And that is going to lower the ceiling/potential and we know defenses adjust when a QB can’t hit all the throws on the field. He isn’t going to grow a new body/arm. So for me, he is just our QB for now at this point. I’ll pull for him. But I’ll view him like every other player in the big picture people (Bryce defenders) are cool with replacing and upgrading. And then I favor the growth of bigger picture players (which is why I am done with AT). Biggest issue probably is some think this is a team that is about to compete and I view it as a development team

Finally, a Huddler with some vision.

I am at the point where I don't get angry about the Panthers anymore. Mildly annoyed and most amused. Tepper ain't worth getting angry over.

In fairness to Pitts, they use him completely wrong. He is absolutely a matchup nightmare, but ATL trot him out there at as an inline TE in 21 or a slot wr in 11 personnel. They take all the mystery out of his role in the play. A competent OC could get much more out of him. Use him more in 12 personnel, where you can motion him around to exploit those matchups. They would never trade him to us, but I would love Pitts in this TE room.

I didn’t intentionally leave them out (frankly, I forgot about them). Mingo was a bad WR that was traded in season to be depth on a team (without Dak). Not sure that makes any point. I’ll give you Dionte Johnson as the actual outlier to my point. But that’s what he is. But what’s the more reasonable argument? That it’s all the WRs. Essentially every single one of vastly different skill sets? Or it’s more the QB and the O scheme? And how Ds play Bryce in it.

"Pitts hasn't matched the heights of his rookie campaign, but has shown flashes here and there that his talent remains." "After injuries and inconsistency slowed his development in recent years. The Falcons are playing it by the ear and could explore a trade that sends Pitts to the Carolina Panthers, giving the team a fresh start and a chance to play with a franchise quarterback in Bryce Young and rejuvenate his young career." "Carolina bringing Pitts on board will add to the collection of talent that is at [disposal] for the offense." https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/nfl-trade-predictions-rumors-atlanta-falcons-kyle-pitts-carolina-panthers-2118278

Dude blows donkey ******* for nickels and gives 10 cent refunds.

Born to whine. 25 pages in and every page ramping up the drama