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He is very much in line with his career averages almost across the board. He hasn't seen the endzone much but that is also probably a reflection of the fact that their overall passing TD's are down quite a bit(Baker at his lowest Passing TD's/GM in his Tampa career). I don't think he is gonna break the bank but it's probably going to be more than I would want to personally pay.

Maybe but then again how sure can we be when the offense is held to such a level to function? I agree your probably right. I think extrem is oline, MLB and QB followed by Dline. The rest are 'should look anywhere to keep upgrading' type situation.

Most impressive Bussi stat.... he has a .890 save % on high danger shots.

I think he would just end up in a crowded TE room without the ability to really stand out. Tremble is a decent enough roster guy that makes sense for us because we have such heavy multiple TE utilization rates but realistically he is a JAG. Sanders is trending bust and Evans I still have some hope for, although he has fallen off recently. I don't think there is a single guy on the roster that cannot be upgraded over. I just don't think Mayer is an upgrade over really any of them. Probably a lateral movement at the very best.

BUSSI IN NET WIN THIS THANG

Oh, come on. That "career record" includes the first year disaster under Reich (actually under Tepper, but hey). But even if it didn't, a career win-loss record doesn't tell you how somebody is doing right now. That's basically like saying you can't judge by his performance against the Rams because he looked terrible in week one.

As much as I wish it were different, our TE room is a bunch of nobodies. Don't mean to slam them, but as a group they've been pretty lackluster and none of them has managed to push themselves to the forefront of a rather easy batch of competitors. I mean, really. Tommy Tremble has been the leader for most parts but he's putting up second string, maybe third string vibes. We definitely need to work on this.

Well the people in charge thought they addressed that but are being proved wrong. Now it's a hope of development thing moving forward. Burns wouldn't have that production here either this year. He only produced 1 year in his total time here like is for them this year. They also put more effort i to stopping the run vs rushing too.

Elite TE is what a Bryce Young QB needs--we get little out of that position. Furthermore, our OL, the highest paid in the league, is ranked somewhere in the middle. Personally, I think TMac, Coker, Legette (to me, he just does not understand the position like he should--he plays a bit slow, does not feel the sidelines, and his route running is not great but has been improving.--still...)

An argument can even be made that Bryce has shown more personal improvement in his tenure here than Canales. I can’t name a single thing about DC that has improved.

I really don’t think Otton’s price tag will be overly high this offseason. He’s had a down year

If possible we should look at Mayer out of Vegas. He's disappeared behind Bowers. I wouldn't spend a lot but it was rumored he was on the block earlier this year.

TBH, I think we might have something in Coker as a decent possession WR but outside TMac, it's largely JAGs. It's a moderate potential and probably the lowest floor of any NFL roster outside of those two guys. Arguably even with those two guys. It's easily the worst WR room just in the NFC South alone. So, I do think it's still an extreme need. Perhaps behind other extreme needs but it's a position in pretty sad shape overall.

Otton will be in line for a payday but I don't know if I would love paying top dollar for a guy that we would use but likely never get our monies worth because of the offense in general that we run. I would rather attempt that in the draft for a couple of reasons, it's cheap and if we DO land an elite TE, he should outlast the HC/OC that we have and it's possible to see him flourish eventually.

I agree. I was just using the pure BPA theory and not our BPA theory...which gave us XL vs Ladd. All things being equal then WR isn't near the top of my lists tho. I don’t think we know what we have at WR and won't until the QB position is upgraded.

Interesting that SF is one of the worst yet if they win out they will be the #1 seed in the NFC.

I assume Otten will be a Panther in 2026 Although someone like Kenyon Sadiq is fun to think about it

I will not further hijack this thread, so this is it for me, as this is becoming more suited for draft talk. When we let Burns go, well he is only so-so and we can find better pass rushers and more productive pass rushers. We haven't. That isn't so much an endorsement on Burns, but more an indictment on our emphasis on pass rush. To that end, we deserve what we have. 18 sacks. Virtually no pressure. The leader being our do-it-all seemingly only defensive player that makes an consistent impact on games. With something like 6 sacks. It's a pathetic number for an NFL team to post. If we go wr, he better be the 2nd coming of Rice, Moss and T.O. to warrant a selection.

Evero is a very mixed bag. His scheme is capable of hiding some personnel deficiencies while dramatically amplifying others. The one thing I will fully admit is that we can actually do far worse than Evero, although I would like to make a change there. My personal expectation would be that we would immediately make a very bad DC hire when/if he leaves. I don't believe that Canales/Tepper will be able to get a high caliber coordinator to be interested for several reasons. Not the least of which being this defense is constructed very, very poorly(for which Evero deserves at least some of the blame). One thing that seems to be a small positive is that DC does appear to let Evero basically completely run that defense without a ton of input. So that level of autonomy might be attractive to a few candidates.

Thats my guy, kid is insane

BPA comes with the caveat of positional value and roster need included. Never let the latter two completely overwhelm the first, however. Our FO seems to lean heavily into "WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE POTENTIALZ!!!" as a fourth category and often it seems as the #1 overall pursuit. With as many needs as this roster has, I am not going to get upset over a real roster upgrade at WR versus some reach at EDGE or whatever other extreme needs we have. Overall, I want to see the roster get better. There is far, far, FAR more than one offseason of work left to get this roster into the top 10-12 in the NFL. That should be the goal.

I would say we are more likely to get smoked by Tampa, blast Seattle and then perplexingly lose to Tampa again.

In general, Dave Canales tends to target his TE's the least frequently of any position group(WR/RB/TE) during his three years of running an NFL offense. However, if you notice this percentage has crept up over time. 2025 is the first year that TE has eclipsed RB in target percentage. Production has also gone up in 2025. This is a percentage of total output in each category. Canales has always used a very TE heavy offense. In fact, on average his offensive formations are 2 or 3 TE sets roughly 80% of all offensive formations. So, the question may be, with this uptick in total TE output, could an elite or top tier TE make a significant impact? I believe there is some evidence this may be the case. Here are a look at TE snaps and Cade Otten specifically. These are the snap percentages for all rostered TE's in every Dave Canales offense. The bolded cell is Cade Otten's whopping 96.46% of total snap counts in the single year he was in the Dave Canales offense in Tampa. This was overwhelmingly his career high. His production was higher with less utilization in 2024, however. In conclusion, while I don't anticipate ever seeing a top 5 producing/Pro Bowl caliber TE performance in a Dave Canales offense, there does appear to be some evidence that an actual upgrade in our TE room would actually lead to increasing overall offensive efficiency. I think Otten's utilization rate does indicate that the splitting of time between our relatively even TE group would cede significant snaps if a far superior option were available. I believe this is an area we could(and should have this past offseason/draft) made a more concerted effort to get a dynamic TE threat, after the apparent failure that J. Sanders appears to have been.

Bryce young being the beacon of hope for the Hispanic community is the second saddest thing I’ve thought about recently. the saddest thing of course was the winning gingerbread house at Grovepark in the special needs division: the rainbow bridge. ”congrats to the two girls with Trisomy with their entry “where your dog goes when it dies.”

That's what i thought it was, thanks.