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Haven't looked. Will. But watching the replay earlier, and just estimating with a count, there were multiple times when it wasn't 1.8 secs. I would say over three on one sack. But hmmm. now that I look back on it, DL were probably breathing pretty hard after 1.8 seconds, so maybe? yeah now that I take that into consideration, it definitely seems possible.... and no doubt there were jailbreaks too where it wasn't even 1.8 secs. Not related to the link but I feel like the reason there is no deep passing game has a hefty element of planner/playcaller distrust in the OL to block it, mixed in there. Justified or not. This is an 'err on the side of safe', 'color inside the lines' bunch of walking bosses Tepper has hired.

It doesn't get done if your owner vetoes it, just for one possibility. In on every deal, except that one? Hmmm. I really do think that, considering Tepper and Rhule both being higher than Fitterer in the pecking order, if I were tasked with judging him, I mean, I think it would be very difficult to feel confident about my evaluation. Without the actual play by play, how can you know what to think? I don't have any idea how much real power he has.

I definitely agree with every word quoted. There seems to be zero pressure put on Reich to win this year, he looks as if he just wants a sandwich a beer and a nap and then get back to game planning 2024' I don't think Young will be the worst QB in the league, but that isn't the bar and I don't know that he will be fine when that definition is tighter than 'okay' or 'average starter'. I can see him being wily after some seasons, but at the root of it is a different reality to contend with... that I just don't enjoy watching the style of football I expect them to play with him. Dumpoff. Leave the pocket, throw away OB. 3rd and 7: hit the safety valve, and if he can't make a play to get a first, you punt. All from the gun. That's about it.

Every bit of it.

John Fox lost my respect in the 2010 season. Screw him.

We know what stage he is in. Me too. Have been since before the draft when it became clear he was going to be the pick. Based off of what I saw watching his college and pro day video, I felt very depressed. Been hoping against reason for better outcome but this current state of things, or at least my perception of it, is not encouraging at all.

Worth it for tne last sentence. I dont know what happened inside the team but I like to think Cam and Smitty would have worked that stuff out. I believe Gettleman used that angle to justify an unpopular financially motivated move. The cap was fuged and Smitty wouldn’t take a pay cut is more what the real reason probably was. And since JR loved Smitty, he would have paid him I believe. G man had to get JR onboard somehow. I can’t sign no affidavit about it though, NDA.

I don’t know about the play calling to argue with people, but I do know bad execution ven I see it. The “bad play calls” may be bad play designs, or they may be bad execution. When 2 guys are within 10-15 feet of each other when the ball arrives in their vicinity, I dont think they are running the play as designed.

Interesting. Great idea for an offseason thread. See you then I hope. back to doom and gloom. It is timely.

That is what they are treating it like. And if you think about it, until a couple years ago we played our fourth preseason game opening week. And the first week of the season was this past weekend, and those game have traditionally been bad indicators of season success. I always threw the first game out in the days of 4 preseason games because non predictable poo always happened, without fail. Not with every team but to enough that you just cant trust the results. So you are kind of right, in tne joke you are making without really intending to be. The first real game, traditionally, that you can start to get a handle on teams, is coming up in week three. That is when poo really starts. If they suck hard after three weeks, start making holiday vacation plans.

I dont think the staff believes they can keep Young upright long enough to call deep balls.

The owner hires who he thinks ‘get it’, naturally, and they show him that they do get it by agreeing with him. He is the one who doesn’t get it. Yet. So far. Willy Ever. When he is paying you all that dough and giving you the dream job, you feel an obligation to go along with what he wants. And justify it by affirming the name signed on your paycheck. It is your job to satisfy that individual. Our hires, succumbed to this I think. They rationalized this trade up to themselves until they agreed with it. i believe. Because, I seriously cannot believe these football lifers wanted to go with this kid at that price. I cannot figure what they were thinking other than yes by that point.

When you cant reach the doorknob, hard to tell if you have tne right key. I dont know if he can see the numbers on the linemen’s jerseys from down there.

There is no urgency to win. You can see that right? They have punted the season already and were cluing people in with the don’t expect playoffs and the 3 preseason games ‘first look at your 2023 Carolina Panthers’ (especially the fourth one where the offense was ‘unveiled’). So anyhow, no pressure on the staff do anything but cash checks while they build their utopia dynastic organization of a million expert coaches, continue teaching a player to become a winner (ostensibly anyway) for a billionaire owner who won’t bitch for a long time because they took his preferred quarterback and installed his defense (a veteran move by Reich, gotta hand it to him). What can he bitch about? He wanted it. Asked for each bit. Okay… As far as play calling, has TM our OC ever called plays in the NFL? Regardless, maybe Reich needs to stop trying to keep people happy with this consensus play calling stuff and just tell them what freaking play we are gonna run. Bet you a dollar they would get them in faster. And too many cooks you end up with something like Polynesian Irish Mexican boiled pepperoni goulash anyway. Yum. Bryce Young. It is too fast for him now. He doesn’t have elite anything really, except allegedly his processing. Which needs to seriously recalibrate to get up to NFL game speed. I mean, he has to step up his entire process because he does not have the arm to fit the ball into tight places in situations *where velocity is demanded* and the players are faster than what he is used to. They close on the ball faster. They close on him faster. He isn’t synching it all up to this point. His old used to be good enough, was good enough to beat most very good to excellent college teams starting level players. That same good enough isn’t good enough at the NFL level. It is that simple, despite the yearly pronouncements that the SEC is basically the same level as NFL. Whether or how well he adjusts to it will determine everything in my opinion. I was down as having a very negative outlook on the ‘cost vs probability of success’ guesswork err analysis, fwiw. Still TBD. And he can still be pretty good without being worth the cost. Cant wait.

I am happy for you.

Not real excited. I expect the other team to win, which kind of keeps the excitement hormones under control.

Young is not up to the speed of the game. He may be able to adjust, he would be expected to by most people. Hope that happens fast. It wasn’t Mayfield bad, and he didn't proclaim himself Great or trade everything away so he could be here, so I will not direct bad stuff at him. My concern has been his velocity vs NFL defenders, re fitting balls into spots. I am hoping it is the speed, it is just more than he geared up for. Hoping he can adjust. Can’t give the ball away.

Never mind….

I’d rather watch Fox ball. Single wing. A game in a torrential rainstorm without a forward pass thrown. Okay I exagerrate. But…. First thing this bunch did was mortgage the future to ensure we would be running short yardage dives from the gun. Didnt like the idea of it, hate the reality. It isnt pretty.

He is young. You have to wait for the tree find the sun, then it will grow. Or something. I haven’t assessed his opponents this year but when he faces top guys he is going to lose his share of plays. You saw it last year. It is sort of like the team we had. I don’t care about the drama of the QB dying because of it, the ball is hopefully gonna be thrown away or QB pulls it down and protects himself. It’ll make it harder for him all the way around, the down and distance won’t be happy either I know this much: Reich didn’t pick him and will not stand long for his brand new QB to be abused. If turnstile Ekwanu is the reality, they will sign the best FA LOT next year and wont care what it costs.

Me too as far as that goes. This is a bunch of homers getting upset over nothing.

People think Fitterer was in charge of trading for that pick, and selecting that player? Tep hired Reich because he agreed with him on Young. Bet on that.

Or a Raidah. I think the only shot at Corral having value of any kind right now, is maybe there is someone that really liked him as a project but the Panthes beat them to him . We probably know who it could be, since we had to trade in front of them. I think Chinn is the more realistic chip from tne trading chips stack, because he is an established talent that may be without a home in a new scheme. Plus, I forget who but just in the last day or two, a paid observer referred to him as the (big?) nickle back “right now”. That “right now”, stood out. Said as if they knew something might be in the wind?

I got news for the spinning weathervane of drama fans: the first regular season game isn’t gonna be some reliable predictor of playoff seedings either. It never meant much and whatever that was, it went out the window with preseason game 4.

Yeah! Andy Reid is 65. Sit his ass down. They are calling the plays they want to look at. A given play could be called just to see what player X does on it. Now instead of when it counts.