SmokinwithWilly

Could be really good for a team that plays mostly on grass.

There are 100s of college players every year that did it in college effectively that watch their career end there. Just because you did it then, doesn't mean you can do it now. The premium, not elite, guys he competed against in college are now JAG on NFL teams if they made them at all. Most of the defenders can't make an NFL practice squad. He also played behind one of the best olines in college. The margin for difference and the NFL is much smaller. That's not saying BY can or cannot throw the deep ball effectively. JaMarcus Russell could throw 70 yards. He couldn't do it accurately in the NFL. Time will tell if BY can throw an accurate deep ball. To this point in time, he has not done that effectively. Whether that's play calling, clean pocket, open receivers, not being able to see over linemen, whatever, it's not being done yet. I don't give a poo about whether he has the physical ability to throw 50 yards. High school QBs can do that. I only care about can he do it at the NFL level against NFL defenses with consistency and we don't have that answer yet.

Bad batch of meatballs maybe.

A lot of the top receiving threats in the NFL aren't 1st round picks. Tyreek Hill - 5th round Davante Adams - 2nd AJ Brown - 2nd Amon Ra St Brown - 4th Keenan Allan - 3rd Cooper Kupp - 3rd Tee Higgins - 2nd and you could add Puka if you wanted in the 5th based on what he's already done. The list goes on. The one thing that makes all of these guys really special is elite separation. That's what creates a number 1, but you don't have to get them early. You do have to be able to find them though, and Fitts sucks at that. AT is on a pro bowl, possibly all pro pace right now, because even at 33, he can get open consistently. If I had to choose between a Chase and 2 JAGs or 3 ATs, I'd take the 3 ATs because they would make it easier on the QB. 3 guys that can get open are better than 1, but that's JMO.

Here's my thought process though. Of all the high scoring offenses in the NFL, how many are really built around the run you into submission mentality vs run it to keep defenses honest? The top offenses all can run, but they're far more dangerous vs the pass than the run. KC, SF, Detroit, Miami, Philly. All can run, but the receiving game is what really opens that run threat up. Seems to me like we've just got a HC and we'll see about Brown, that doesn't know how to put pieces where they would work best.

Of the top 3 tackles drafted last year, he is probably the worst suited for this type of offense. Sad really that we can't seem to pick an offensive philosophy and go with it.

I'm tired of constantly looking for these super elite WRs. Are they nice to have? Sure. But a 5th round comp rookie just set the record for catches because he just gets open. KC has no real WR1 and they're killing it in the passing game. What matters is being able to get separation from the defender. That's what we need to be chasing. Forget about having a WR1. If you have 4 guys that can be WR1 any given week, defenses are going to have a much harder time keying in on any one player.

We understand the wanting more part for damn sure.

I have no interest in a Scott Fitterer anything.

I don't care for it personally. I would rather have honest football discussion, good bad or indifferent but that's a little hard to get right now.

It was pretty well documented across the board that Bryce was the highest floor, lowest ceiling of the top 3. He was the most NFL ready to start day 1. Thats what was being said about his abilities. Not he's a rookie and you're going to need to be patient and wait 2 or 3 years. He was ready to go now. Posters who questioned this before the draft were poo'd on and called idiots because we couldn't see everything that the experts saw. We're 6 weeks in and all of a sudden that narrative has completely flipped and we need to be patient and he's only a rookie and there's growing pains and blah, blah, blah. I look at it like this. Either our GM, coaches and scouts really missed on his evaluation and his trade up value because he's not ready to be an NFL starting QB week 1 like was claimed, OR, this is what some of us thought it was and a drastic overpay for a QB that has the lowest ceiling of the 3. Either option is bad, but the first is actually worse because it involves every player this staff evaluates and not just the QB position. But now we have given up our WR1, our 23' 1st, our 24' 1st, and a 2nd just to go backwards? You don't make that trade if you can't do better than the year before, and right now we're swimming in the sewer with no way out.

But it's not just the QB. The run is a huge portion and the influence a player has overall. Bosa is more of a threat to blow up any play, every play. Burns isn't. That's not a slight on him, it's just the way it is.

That was my hope when we signed him that these young guys could learn from a guy who's not the biggest or fastest how to create their own separation. Not sure if that will happen or not, but they should be.

Honestly, way more than this. 200 years of NFL experience. An supposedly offensive minded HC A hot DC with HC interviews this past offseason An OC from the McVey system One of the most cerebral QBs since Manning - at least it was how he was hyped. Solid oline 7-10 last year in a poo division. Yeah, my hopes were way higher than 0-6 dumpster fire averaging less than 20 a game.

Jaylen and Tyreek make this poo a lot easier.

Maybe Brown can scheme him open or something. I hate to call him a bust because the past few years have been some of the most offensive NFL offenses I've ever seen. I gotta have some hope for something. But even I know...

My concern for AR was always that he was going to try and be another Cam/Allen style of QB and run over defenders. Steichen better get a grip on that part of his game or he's going to be out a promising prospect if this keeps up.

1. Because Tepper would do this poo all over again.

Dallas showed that years ago when their line was the most elite in the NFL. Any RB they put in that system became gold. I don't know why Fitts didn't understand this. Philly took Gainwell and made him look like a RB1 in the playoffs.

It's too damn early and I haven't had my coffee yet. I was thinking of just offensive players. Yeah you're right about 100 overall

All depends on your goals I guess. How many teams would be thrilled to have a possession receiver that constantly finds a way to get open as a WR2? That's not easy to find anywhere in the NFL except for a few teams. If he played another 2-3 years, that's about what you'd get out of a WR from the 3rd round average anyway.

Everyone I know that had PSLs has dumped them. They are doing more with their money than watching this turd.

Olave, Theilen (because hes a reception machine), Evans, Pitts, London, BRob and maybe Godwin.

This board would have gone ballistic if we had given up DJ, 2 1sts and a 2nd for Pickett at 1. He was drafted in the back half of the 1st where expectations are quite a bit different. Would I rather have TLaw? Yes. I would rather have a guy that has all the tools instead of trading what we did in hopes of drafting the guy who needs to be the exception to the exceptions to not be a bust.

I was one of them until this offseason. I thought Rhule was a big part of these draft picks. Then he goes and does the same stupid poo he did last year. He needs to be gone, now. It's just like Rhule last year. 5 games in and the poo is so bad we just need to fuging get it over with.