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Airing it out requires a solid offensive line. I just don't think Sam will have enough time to take full advantage of his receiving weapons. That is why I went with lower predictions than you.

Yes - make it happen Fitt, this can’t be the final 53

He’ll fit right in

I hope so, I am trying to temper my expectations for this year

I like the way you think. I feel like we still find a way to lose some games because we’re a young team

I think for me it’s good enough compared to where he was and a 65% completion percentage a 98 rating means he is very effective. Yes I assume we will run the ball a lot in the red zone.

Exactly! Everyone was calling McDermott and Beane geniuses for creating the Carolina Panthers North

We keep talking about how everything depends on Darnold playing up to his potential. I would like to do some predictions and also define what SUCCESS looks like

Haha feel free to do both.

3700 yards 24 TDs 12 INTs 65% completion 98.5 passer rating 9-8 record How would you feel about our future with Sam Darnold going into next season?

Agree - but only once Baker Mayfield turned things around. Let's hope Darnold can do the same.

It's impressive to me that Browns are third youngest and already one of the top contenders in the AFC

I'm ok if he's more business than play, but concerned if they're tuning him out. I don't see any evidence of that on the field though. Brian's comments make sense because Rivera was a former NFL player, I wouldn't necessarily see it as Rhule not connecting with them. While Rivera came off as a players coach it seems like team lacked discipline as a result, I think there's a fine line between being liked and being respected.

This is news to me, can you be more specific about these rumors or video evidence?

Yeah, we should be in playoffs next year or bust

Back to the 80s and 90s lol

We kept the wrong backup QB

Cam to Cowboys to back up Dak

We need to save it for contract extensions

That's a fair point, if they don't succeed with their current teams, Saleh is in a better position to get another shot at it. I do think Rhule is in a better situation in Carolina to implement his program. Saleh has the better QB situation though, at least for now.

We're not picking up anyone on waiver wire that will replace any of our starters (with exception of a kicker) so that fantasy needs to end. Anyone will pick up will be for depth.

For full transparency, here is the NFL defensive coordinator/assistant to NFL head coach record. Only 9 out of 26 had winning records, or about 33%. It's probably worse if you include offensive coaches. That's at approximately the same rate as college to NFL (3 out of 10). Wade Phillips (82-64) Steve Spagnuolo (11-41) Matt Patricia (13-29-1) Dan Quinn (43-42) Rex Ryan (61-66) Todd Bowles (24-40) Bill Arnsparger (7-28) Dom Capers (48-80) Bill Belichick (274-126) Buddy Ryan (55-55-1) Eric Mangini (33-47) Rod Marinelli (10-38) Romeo Crennel (32-63) Jim Schwartz (29-51) Brian Flores (15-17) Mike Zimmer (64-47-1) Mike Vrabel (29-19) Vic Fangio (12-20) Ron Rivera (83-72-1) Steve Wilks (3-13) Chuck Pagano (53-43) Mike Pettine (10-22) Mike Tomlin (145-78-1) Vance Joseph (11-21) Marvin Lewis (131-122-3) Leslie Frazier (21-32-1)

Full transparency - it's not a very impressive list or record but I think Rhule will buck the trend. For all his faults, Kelly had a winning record just was too stubborn to get out of his own way. Bill O'Brien was a good coach but a terrible GM. Kliff Kingsbury, Arizona Cardinals 13-18-1 Bill O’Brien, Houston Texans 52-48 Chip Kelly, Philadelphia Eagles 26-21 Doug Marrone, Buffalo Bills 15-17 Greg Schiano, Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11-21 Jim Harbaugh, San Francisco 49ers 44-19-1 Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons 3-10 Nick Saban, Miami Dolphins 15-17 Steve Spurrier, Washington Football Team 12-20 Butch Davis, Cleveland Browns 24-35

I think one thing that always differentiated the Rhule hire from other college to NFL coaches is that he didn't come from a top power conference program. He wasn't a coach who depended on having the best 4 and 5 star recruits like Saban. He also wasn't about some gimmicky college scheme or no huddle offense like Chip Kelly. He was hired because of his ability to build a program, manage the locker room, motivate his players and get the most out of each and every one of them. I think for these reasons he will be successful but that success also depends heavily on getting the QB position right. I don't think Saleh is guaranteed to succeed because he hasn't dealt with all the aspects of being an NFL head coach before. For every example of a successful coordinator to head coach hire, there are 3 that flamed out and never got the gig again. I think he will have early success because the bar can't be any lower, but the Jets are a dysfunctional organization and that doesn't bode well.

All good arguments, and I do think Saleh will be a good coach but I am surprised more people aren’t higher on Rhule due to his head coaching experience. Saleh may have NFL experience but it’s his first time being the main guy and we shall see if he can sustain a program.