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Saints 24 Panthers 17

yea I don’t really care who interviewed, the yes man got the job and took the job for a reason. do you consider Fitt to be a strong candidate? I mean for us of course since no one else interviewed him that I know of.

This is what Reich does ad nauseam.

guys, a worthwhile GM isn’t going to take a job being a yes man to a Baylor college coach.

Cam’s oline actually ranked average his whole career. And at one point he had almost two 1k rushers and two 1k receivers (considering TE). Cam was wasted due to dumb coaching that’s the argument.

Won’t disagree with that general point at all, but I still don’t think Fit is a legit GM. In fact I don’t think Tep would hire a legit GM until he’s ready to be challenged on his dumbassery - which is to your point.

You thinking he isn’t is a dumb take.

Ah, but it’s actually year five of a rebuild for Tepper.

Why does this matter? You’re saying either Fit wasn’t real GM material where a first time Baylor coach called shots or you’re saying he is partly to blame. This argument holds no water and either way Fit is a yes man to Tepper and that’s it. Tep talks a big game about people disagreeing with him for a reason, and that reason is it’s not true. He wants a yes man at the end of the day because he wants credit for turning the ship around he fuged up in the first place. It’s BS and until he lets go and realizes this isn’t a toy and he isn’t qualified to determine it’s success we are doomed until then.

These are the types of players you spend money on, especially talking oline. Solid, reliable, and a good mindset. Unfortunately for our FO this is lightning in a bottle and not the norm. When he retires I think he will be sorely missed since he won’t be replaced until three years later in typical Panther fashion.

Chinn WAS severely misused under the idiot Rhule. I think he’ll get better as he finally is back where he needs to be but people should stop expecting instant results. Not worried about him long term as long as competent coaches keep him where he is and he can actually learn to be a beast there. This just goes to show how too many huddlers on here think the coaches and FO can do no wrong. I got lots of poo for saying Chinn in the backfield was the dumbest move ever, especially when he was moved just right after his impactful year. But huddlers at the time raved the move was genius. But now he has ‘regressed’ lol. Inept coaching and ownership comes through in many ways.

Most of what I was saying was based more on their careers thus far, not just one game.

Just wish it wasn’t before the Falcons adjusted and later in the game when it matters most. Also would like to see him stop whiffing and catch runners on the edge. I know these may be nit picking when we are just looking at numbers but you have to remember this guy wants Bosa elite money. You cannot pay someone a ridiculous amount of money and not get the whole package. A rushing specialist who makes 30 million a year and disappears at halftime and/or can’t produce even when the opposing team is adjusting to take him out isn’t elite. Elite means they aren’t stopping him and just have to do their best to hold him off. That said, I say pay him too, but I also see the hesitation. Especially if he wants a record breaking salary. And I will also say it never should’ve taken this long. But Fit isn’t a real GM so not sure what y’all expect.

Exactly. Now days, grass is possible. It will just cost money. Not an unreasonable amount but still money. Turf eliminates the need for said money. But players don’t mean much when you have emotional fans. The fact the Panthers are still highly profitable after half a decade of poo spells it out. The owners can do whatever the want. Owners are businessmen first - I don’t think fans fully comprehend what that means.

Not at all. Some of what I posted is actually already happening. Some might not quite be possible. But some of it is. I am weary of the NFL taking out the human element though. One can only hope one day in our lifetimes we will see a very limited human involvement in the officiating of games. https://huddleup.substack.com/p/why-the-nfl-puts-computer-chips-in#:~:text=The ball's chip can accurately,accurate offside calls within seconds.

I said they are obsolete in MOST situations. Refs were needed before the advancements we have today. Imagine something like a technologically laser-gridded field and computer chips in the ball and player equipment (helmets/pads) to easily assess things like fumbles, crossing the goal lines, stepping out of bounds, offside, false starts, even late hits, maybe even holding etc. I mean the majority of things refs spot, we don’t need 70 year old eyes spotting these things. Now as I said it’s just most because things like some instances of (not all some could still be determined with technology) PI can’t really be called without eyes on the field but…let’s even take it down a notch. Eyes on the field can simply be upgraded cameras. Refs sitting in a booth calling plays using simple technology. I mean as it stands now, think about it - when the refs don’t know or are challenged they LITERALLY waddle over to a video replay lol. And there is this big challenge thing from coaches. Then some announcement of what the video showed them. For what? Why? Just have refs in a booth watching and calling those. What’s wrong with that? Less commercials? It’s for ‘entertainment’ and it’s lame. Owners have already spoke about this and admitted technological advances could basically eliminate a lot of ways games are officiated but said something to the effect of what I posted. ‘A human element (along with error) is kept in the game to make it more unpredictable/fun. I think were the words they used. Like how fuging stupid. I care about accuracy. I mean there are always flaws in technology and I’m not saying implementations are perfect but I’d bet money they’d be more accurate that 70 year old eyes and human error. Just look at this poo show officiating year after year. I’d be very curious how games would look with these implementations along working with some human element like refs in booths analyzing things with superior cameras and a gridded field. /rant

I know you’re looking at it as a Panthers fan going by your list but there were also a lot of dumb calls on the Falcons as well - which is to your main point. Refs are an outdated and unneeded part of the game that keeps the old ass owners happy stating it basically keeps some ‘uknown/randomness’ in the game. In other words they are aware of and like the element of human error as if it creates some excitement. This is just a business to them after all. Don’t think for a second an owner’s first thought after appearing happy after a win or success isn’t how much better the money is going to be. In reality this day an age refs are completely obsolete in most situations.

Tepper doesn’t understand how a lot of this works and he’ll learn on his time if at all. Did the same thing with Hurney. Then tried to interview another GM and was denied due to the rule. Tepper just wants to see if he can figure it out himself and if he can’t or it takes two decades, so be it, no biggie. It’s why he was so easily gullible over Rhule and his 7 year plan lol like what even somewhat NFL aware owner accepts that lol. I don’t think people know just how awful this franchise is going to continue to be when half the round table making football decisions consists of Tepper, his wife, and a customer service rep. And who here thinks the football people in the room that Tepper hand selected (Fit, HC, Morgan) are going to adamantly go against Tepper or especially his wife? Yea. Just a dumbass doing dumbassery things.

I agree with most but to clarify - the pass rush (and backfield cover for that matter) means nothing if you can’t stop the run and the screens. It’s a one dimensional defense that simply is not going to work. At all. The numbers were a bit off since the screens didn’t count as rush yards, though I feel they kind of are but the Panthers are absolutely atrocious at stopping yards from the LOS or behind. I don’t know exact numbers but you can’t give up 200+ yards from those plays. That along with stretching the field is what’s going to hurt this team the most. Also Burns shows why he is not on Bosa level for three reasons. He won’t catch anyone coming at him or up behind them (besides the one slow developing play TFL where no one blocked him), he disappears as the games goes on (a known trend), and finally as you pointed out, which isn’t all on Burns, but if he can be taken out or exposed the defense won’t be competitive. Awful FO management relying on just one guy despite Luvu and Brown doing well. At the same time it is on Burns if he wants Bosa money because he needs to come through in crunch time and take over a game when it matters despite being the sole playmaker. That’s what elite money pays for.

Going to be really telling how many young first round top 10 picks this team can rack up on and still can’t win. Really is a sign of being the new Browns with a dysfunctional FO. How many other teams have …is it 4 top 10 picks under 25 years old? Don’t have one next year but that’d be 5 if this year doesn’t pan out and on our way to 6. At one point I think the Browns had like almost 10+ lol. Just throwing around numbers here too lazy to look up but you get the point. I despise Tepper.

This is his toy. He wants the credit for ‘turning things around’ and thus he won’t let go. Similar to San Fran 7 years ago. He really needs help but refuses and wants to meddle at the expense of fans. Like I said, it’s his toy he doesn’t care. He’s finding ways to make money and putting in input when he shouldn’t because otherwise he wouldn’t be playing with his toy and certainly can’t reap the credit for success, which will never come. He connects the dots he just doesn’t care. Failing means nothing to him, in his mind, there are more important things to worry about.

how much you paying?

Can’t stop a 50 years pass even with interference lmao

Those aren’t the issues despite people pointing them out. It’s the conservative play trying not to lose. The Falcons suck. You can’t play like this against any average or above team. Could be that’s because our personnel sucks. No one to stretch the field. But the defense also can’t stop the run. These are huge red flags that generally carry on through the season. Hopefully there are plans to keep building the team to compete in the modern NFL but this was always an issue for Reich so just going to have to see it unfold.