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it’s strange to me people think Stroud fits Reich’s preferences more…it just isn’t true. i said this months ago that if you listen to Reich’s interviews, style and him speak Young actually fits the mold almost like a glove though granted, if you look at who Reich has worked with in the past you will see more Stround types. maybe that’s the confusion. and i am 100% pro Stroud, but i would not be made about Young

a perennial 5/6 win team for over half a decade…wtf they tearing down to rebuild? Y’all need to chill, we good

That’s because they’re not Panther fans (and even fans don’t get it) and know what DJ is. Everyone outside fans are just looking at his stats. Dillusonal fans on the inside are just depraved since 89. Most don’t understand where all those yards actually came from. From someone who has watched games over and over let me tell you. It’s true he’s had garbage QBs. But it’s also true his team has been losing consistently since he’s been here. Meaning often down points and the opposing teams playing bend not break scenarios, especially second half. Thats when DJ shines. Gaining yards in garbage time. Want a stat that tells you that? Look at his TDs. It’s simple. He disappears when yards are at a premium and in the redzone. That’s why it looks so lopsided. He also gives up blocks quite often and routes too. Now make no mistake he hasn’t had much help. And he does make some clutch catches every now in then. I’m not saying he’s worthless with no talent. And this does leave the Panthers desperate for a WR (which is the main reason Moore was never traded in the first place imo). But as I have always said and got poo for here, he is not a #1, or close to it. He isn’t a difference maker. Smitty called him out twice for motivation issues. He isn’t going to bail Fields out of anything. Just watch. He’d be better with a QB like Rodgers imo. Maybe people can be more objective now that he’s gone since this board is weird like that. In any case to the topic, I feel at most this trade was pretty damn equal, but I feel we got the upper hand just slightly. Also considering one of those seconds is basically closer to being a third. Only way we get fleeced is if Reich gets us a top 5 pick next year. That’s on him not the trade.

No. There is a clear QB1 among scouts despite the hype and fans. Despite the team saying they like either or blah blah…they know who everyone wants including themselves. Likely Stroud. If you have that first overall and need a QB, you’re going with Stroud period. But even if it wasn’t Stroud, it is a single player not either or that 99% of teams agree goes #1. All this other talk is simply politics because you never want to talk poorly on any level of any player for a lot of reasons (playing them, ending up with them on the team down the line etc.)

let’s be real Tepper had to do something and he already pulled the cheap, cam card fooling not so smart fans once, limited options but he made the right move finally for the first time in about seven years I am actually excited for the Panthers

define crazy

you will never convince me firing Rhule = tanking

fug yes. Swapped firsts, a first next year, a second string WR and second in 2025. And before draft night? Not a fan of Fit but that is a hell of a deal for 1 overall.

Honestly is would be an asinine move. But this is the same perennial 5 win FO that turned down the Burns trade and went after Watson. You can’t simply put this kind of stupidity past them.

lol people act like trading firsts away will put us in some kind of five win per season purgatory and somehow just overlook past the past five years

Kyle Murray?

seriously. had we just tanked we wouldn’t be trading any picks. and no one cares about 2022 results anyways. anyone watching re runs? Doubtful. also if we just traded a bit more we could have had Herbert. But no, let’s cry about picks and how we need burns to lead us to another 6 wins. this team has literally tried everything in the book to address QB aside from a legit FA since they won’t come here anyways (that’s a clue btw) and it hasn’t worked. Also I don’t include drafting one with the 6-10 picks we have had year after year because that’s just leftovers and worse that trading up imo. And I loved Fields. just trade butns already and draft franchise qb potential and give this team a real chance.

Swapping firsts, a second rounder and Burns would be a package I’d like to see. But I know that will likely need a 24/25 first in there. For #1…that’s the max I’d pay. If only our FO were smart enough to trade burns that’d be more firsts than any other team and wouldn’t break the bank. Just have to hope the Bears love Burns…but unlikely they love him as much as the rams.

Pretty surprising people still think fit aka Rhule’s GM is legit after that idiocy. Maybe it’ll come to light when they pay him out the ass soon. Even Hurney would’ve taken that move. Saving 24/25 firsts by offering Burns in a trade up scenario is the only way to redeem that but that is slim. Rams’ offer was to severely overpay and no team will match that…yet Fit was too dumb to pull the trigger which shocked pretty much every analyst out there.

Rhule may be an idiot and Wilks too as far as evaluating QBs. Somehow they thought Sam was worse than PJ (lol). And even though I’m skeptical about Reich’s past QB judgements based on religion (Wentz)…I think if this staff sees something in Corral he will get his chance before the season begins. However I personally think his ceiling is a career backup. How many great QBs went round 3 and later in the past 30 years? Like 2? People really think he 3 huh, that special? Dunno, plenty of teams passed on him and even took others before him in later rounds. Hard to argue with all of that and that statistic. But then again I had to argue Zod until I was blue in the face Carr was a better QB than Will Grier so I mean I dk.

Not to mention black ass teeth and raunchy breath. And I’ll tell people straight up they reek and to come back later with gum. They act all offended cause everyone does it like that matters and I should be ok with their stank nasty ass all up in my face yaking away. Do people not know you’d have to be like 5+ ft away to not smell disgusting with coffee? And your breath reeks the rest of the day? I like the smell of it alone but not on someone. Like if you want caffeine there are a million other options.

That’s literally like saying if Tepper didn’t buy the Panthers we wouldn’t have an owner. It’s not true at all. If we didn’t have a tax payers, PSL owners, and demand…we would not have the Panthers. People should really give the city/PSL owners credit for funding this team far more than the investors ever have including (in fact due to) JR.

Meh…I feel like without a franchise QB or an historically elite defense, a team is always basically rebuilding. The Panthers don’t have either. And it’s coach speak anyways. No coach is going to say they aren’t going to try and win just yet. But I do think they draft a QB. I also think Burns will be traded for the ability to do that. I do not believe Reich will have a winning season year 1. In any case who really cares what happens with Darnold? I mean think about it…he isn’t the future and so the options are stay and be a cheap backup, stay and be a cheap QB for 3-4 games until a rookie comes in then be a back up, or don’t get resigned at all. Doesn’t anyone truly care what happens out of those?

This reminds me a little of early Skinlab before they quickly went to poo. Love it.

Or better yet get a known defensive player in Burns and a first instead.

Yup, been saying this. It’s the best deal they’ll get and I am 100% in support of it. Time to rebuild properly with a franchise qb talent on a rookie contract.

That’s not even adding in the QB dumbassery among other things (Thomas, oline, Anderson etc). This franchise is just completely out of touch. Hope they real it in. And people get their panties in a wad for trading a couple firsts to move up for a franchise qb talent lol I don’t get it. The above are the moves killing us, they don’t even have a risk/reward like a draft trade. They’re just dumb. Irony is had we done that properly we’d have Herbert right now and wouldn’t give two shits about those picks.

How do you know that? JR paid multiple millions that included non disclosures to several people and sold it when his own ‘investigation’ was laughed at. So the details didn’t need to come out. Thus, we don’t really know what happened or the full extent of it. Generally small things don’t cost millions though. Implicating we do know the full details of the JR fiasco and how ‘bad’ it was perpetuates the idea that his money bought your opinion and illusion of innocence. Proof being your statement, which is very sad. Fact is no one knows. I believe both are pieces of poo with equal amount of slime. Difference is simply JR is smarter than Synder. Unlike Synder, JR didn’t fight past a certain point, timed and hid things well. Despite the unknowns, I suppose I logical conclude when a stingy rich man pays millions in non disclosures and sells his prized life’s work there is a lot of shadiness going on. It is quite strange to me people ignore those facts, and find it sensible to downgrade the severity because people were paid off to not share the details. Money really does rule all.

Maybe I’m old school but he’s a garbage owner until results say otherwise. Feelings and money are just wonderful, results are better.

It’s a harder defense vs. pass happy teams because it’s less predictable. However I agree I am not a fan mainly because a good NT is rare and makes the whole system work to begin with and the running D is already below average. Contrary to worries in this thread though, Chinn is young, 6’3 220, I see no reason he can’t put on 10 LBs and fit in, he’s a playmaker.