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I really hope Young does not fall--I hope someone grabs him early. So much depends on how much we like Richardson and Levis. I think they are both a year away, and I got the idea they wanted a QB as the final piece--which suggests right now. If we wait, we can add a stud TE and maybe a WR to help make him better. This is going to be interesting, but after hearing Fitterer, he sounded like he will be aggressive-as if he sees QB as a "final piece". Of course, they have a lot of homework to do.

This has to be the plan. I see Vegas and maybe Atlanta as threats ahead of the Panthers. If someone drops to 6, I think that is where we move up if we do.

Did you all hear Fitterer? I realize there is some liar's poker out there, but what he said makes sense--you have a good, young defense. You have a good, young OL. At WR, you have 4-5 decent to good WRs--Moore, Shenault, TMJ, Smith. I think if can sign a good TE and maybe find one more WR, we could be really good now. He said, "If there is a QB you like in this draft, considering the rest of the roster, you go get him." (paraphrasing). To me, he will find a few free agents and re-sign some folks. He will use the CMC trade to move up for the franchise QB. Levis and Richardson are very talented projects--but they might need a year. I see Stroud as their target--he has the tools Reich described--but do not discount resigning Darnold for a season and drafting Levis or Richardson.

This is like a con man who sold you a fake Rolex for $100 coming after you because you only gave him $80.

OK, Not reading the entire thread--so excuse me if this was said. I read tea leaves. Reich said that he likes a mobile QB etc. and then he mentioned Wentz. He said (correctly) you need a run/option threat to keep the backside honest, etc. We needed a mature QB coach veteran, and I have no doubt that we will bring in a QB coach with expertise in a different skill set. Fitterer said the pieces are in place, just need a QB--even if you have to move up to get him, you go get him. He thinks the time is right. Richardson (6-4) is the tallest QB, but I doubt we have to move up for him. He is also a project that does not help next year, IMO. Levis (6-3) is more athletic than Wentz but 2" shorter. Stroud (6-3) has to be the #1 target.

I think they feel that Payton will turn Wilson around--and frankly, Wilson was SO BAD this year, he stands to look like a QB Whisperer if Wilson becomes average. That franchise (Denver) is in a bad place. Losing a first this year and probably a second next year--after the Wilson trade and contract. Yikes.

Maybe they did not hear about bountygate in the AFC. Shhh.

wonder what the compensation is--they have the 29th pick overall--then don't draft again until round 3.

Good post--imagine using facts to make your point--what a concept on the Huddle. Reading the tea leaves--it sure looks like any of the top 4 qbs, but Richardson makes you wonder because he has the most upside and raw athleticism.

Man, I want to believe you---I really do. I just think, "QBU?" Not Ohio State.

I think he is a fraud. What I did NOT hear: "At the end of the day..." "It is what it is." "A punt is a good play." How can he coach without telling us this vital stuff?

I hear the Colts like Levis (don't know why everyone seems to be saying this). If they move up to get him, that could make Stroud affordable--assuming others don't trade up before us. I would move up ahead of Vegas and Atlanta, then take the best QB available--I am guessing it could be either Stroud or Levis--- I am not confident that either is a good pick, however. Part of me says trade back, grab a pick or two, and take Hendon Hooker at 61. If healthy, his skill set is not below Richardson or Levis if you ask me (but I am not good at evaluating QB talent) Sign a QB on a 1-year "prove it" deal or an aging veteran. Then you'd have Hooker on a 3-year rookie contract between the ages of 26-29. I dunno.

To me, the biggest crime wasn't that Peyton won 2 SBs, it was that Eli did.

Was that the 2016 season? I recall playing Denver in the opener, and I was thinking that was the game wherein the entire Broncos Defense should have been fined and the refs fired. Too tired to google.

It proved to me that Ron Rivera can get out coached if you give the opposite side 2 weeks to prepare. Remmers at RT vs. Von Miller? Did we adjust to give him help with a back or TE? It has been a while since I watched it, but I remember Remmers being on an island vs. the top sack master in the league.

Come on, folks. The games have begun. This is like believing that pro wrestling is real but the moon landing was fake--like thinking what you just saw on FOX was actually news.

Maybe we need a coaching combine. Discuss.

We have the players and could be ready to make a move--teams that are in the playoffs are not really in the market for coordinators--I would come here if I was a DC....

I hate this for Wilks, but I like the hire. Wilks is a good man, a local guy, and the players liked him. He got dealt a bad hand in Arizona, and he did pretty well here. In my opinion, 6-6 with Sam Darnold as the QB after trading away your #2 WR and #1 RB is pretty good. I am a fan of his, but did not want him to be the coach because I think we need a "QB whisperer" here.

This is my hope as well. If he can get TMJ and a (new) TE involved in this offense, design an offense around the strengths of the QB, then we should see some improvement.

And it did not cost us our first rounder in 2024 and a second in 2023. And I bet he does not ask for $20m.

There have been 112 starting Super Bowl QBs in the 56 Super Bowls to date. 28 of them (25% or 1 in 4) were drafted after round 5. Of course, Brady helps this statistic. Only 57 of the 112 (51%) were first round selections when they were drafted. That means that 49% of all Super Bowl QBs starting for their teams were not first rounders.

Interesting Research: The "Bust Rate" for QBs picked #1 overall is 40% The "Bust Rate" for QBs selected in the first round with picks 2-5 is 75%. The "Bust Rate" for QBs selected in the first round with picks 6-20 is 50% https://thedraftnetwork.com/qb-success-rate-by-draft-position-2021-nfl-draft/ That would suggest that if you do not have the first overall selection (and probably there is a clear overall favorite, like Trevor Lawrence or Cam Newton), trading up into the top 2-5 is what desperate teams do to grab a QB. In my mind, the Panthers may do this.

Smitty is right--when 50% of first round picks (approx.) bust, why hire scouts? I have said what he said about a first rounder--he gets 3 years to "prove it" where a kid that should need 3 years, a seventh rounder, is cut during preseason. I kept mocking Purdy to us last year--so I am pissed off. This also makes me worry about the four first round QBs in this year's draft. Young: Alabama has a great OL and good WRs. Still, his size makes him questionable, but he will be a first rounder and he will have 3 years to prove it. He weighs 185 lbs, and that is scary. Stroud: He has all the tools. Perfect modern NFL QB. Is that not what they said about Fields and Haskins? Did the best Ohio State QB ever not sit the bench and transfer to LSU? Name a great Ohio State QB. I'll wait over here. Levis: Another with all the tools. Where was the productivity over his college career? In 2 years as the KY Wildcats QB, he threw 23 interceptions. Is that expected to improve in the NFL? Richardson: A stud athlete, and there is a lot to like, but he completed less that 60% of his passes and threw for 17 TDs vs. 9 Interceptions. He is a dual threat, but is he really a top 15 player? He will need some work. Therefore, I am not impressed with this group of QBs. In 2021, I was not thrilled about Lance or Wilson, stated (and I was blasted on this board--it hurt my feelings) that Mac Jones was perhaps better. I wanted Fields. Hooker: " Hooker completed 70 percent of his passes during his 2022 season for 3,135 yards, 27 touchdowns and two interceptions. He also recorded 430 yards and five touchdowns on the ground. Hooker tore an ACL" (Walter Football), and will probably need a year. Now that means he would be about 26 years old before he could play football. Many see that as a negative. I don't. A mature QB between the ages of 26-29 on a first contract? The second contract would cover years 30-34, so you still get him for 8 years. How long did we have Cam (from his rookie season to the last effective season)? Hooker beat Bama. Hooker made Tennessee relevant. I am almost of the mindset to wait and take Herndon Hooker at the end of round 2 (let him develop for a season as he rehabs) Tune: Want a QB in this draft that has a lot of similarities to Purdy? Clayton Tune from Houston. He is 6-3, 220, and nothing really jumps off the charts at you. However, "Tune enjoyed an excellent senior year, racking up a lot of production and putting up a lot of points for the Cougars. In 2022, he completed 67 percent of his passes for 4,061 yards, 40 touchdowns and 10 interceptions....He will enter the next level with a lot of starting experience because he broke into the starting lineup during the 2019 season. Tune played well in 2021 too, completing 68 percent of his passes for 3,546 yards, 30 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. " Some team sources say they are not high on Tune. (Walter Football) So in two seasons, and that is a lot of experience, He has 70 TDs and 20 interceptions. How are Levis and Richardson expected to be drafted 130 picks earlier? I don't get it. Was it the system--maybe--but if that were the easy answer, wouldn't everyone run that system? I might even draft both QBs in this Draft--Hooker in round 2 or 3, and Tune on day 3.

But you are applying your own rationale as some unstated fact, when it is totally veering from your original point--about some 10 year vision which leads to retirement. I simply Googled the oldest coaches in the NFL to see if there is something to your supposition that you retire before age 70. The three that popped up were all hall of famers. I am not cherry picking Hall of Famers to compare to FR, as you seem to want to spin this. Fact: The three oldest coaches in the NFL--at the age you seem to view as a horrible negative, are--today--some of the most successful coaches in the NFL--at their current age. HOF is for the past--I was pointing out what they are doing now. Frankly (no pun intended) I would rather have a coach approaching retirement with my team who has been in the game for a good while than some young prodigy cutting his teeth so that he can go to a larger market. So no, I did not pick the list of HOF coaches--the oldest coaches simply fit that description. And if they retired or contemplated retirement--I have no idea what you mean by that point. As I pointed out, the average NFL coach who has been to a Super Bowl lasts 4 years. So to worry about 10 is in itself illogical.