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To save someone a Google search, we can just call it 0.

Yeah, agree totally. We've done nothing but get worse. It's almost to the point that we're the last stop for shitty coaches and players to finally confirm their career is over. It used to be Cleveland or the Jets, but now we're even taking their castoffs.

TMJ, Tremble, Hubbard, Shi, Corral These are the only skill position players drafted under Rhule. CMC and DJ are the only real threats, and that's sporadic at best given CMC injuries. There's just nothing to strike fear in any defense. If it worked two years ago, it's just working better now.

We’ve had decent discussions in the past, by and large respectful, but this is a complete dick reply. My post is legitimate. You act like I’m the first person to ever suggest that not winning a few meaningless games is a bad thing. Hell, Miami basically tried to do it openly. Happens in MLB and NBA all the time….ALL THE TIME. Let’s be honest, it happens plenty in the NFL as well. Even when it isn’t sanctioned and influenced in the front office you better believe players are making business decisions for themselves on the field and certainly not giving your proclamined ALL ON EVERY PLAY. You say I’ve never played anything at a high level? I say you never have and you know nothing about me. Your view is idiotic, short sighted and completely non realistic. There was a way to do this without personal attacks and maintain some civility but you took it another direction. Go F yourself.

Always enjoy reading your replies. This is gold though. Could be a clever hot take under lazy examination, but he may actually be our best passer and not a hot take at all.

Plenty of justified doom threads to kick it around in, so here's a positive one! Eddy has been one of the few bright spots on the team. Drilled the 54 yarder yesterday. I miss the days when I thought Zane's injury might be a problem for the team.

Never go full Archdale.

What are we trying to accomplish? For argument's sake lets just say PJ plays better than Baker. Are we a contender? I think quite clearly, NO. So really, the best thing that could happen is the worst thing that could happen. PJ leads us to a few wins we wouldn't have got otherwise. Damaging our draft position, and GASP creating a possible bridge for Rhule to cross to another year. No Thanks. Accept this year is lost, stop looking for hope.

I think I'll dress up as Matt Rhule for Halloween actually.

You're saying this is not already rock bottom?

Carson Wentz is on the table too.

1. Rhule hasn't been the problem today...yet 2. Rhule has been the problem before. Both of these things can be true.

Under Matt Rhule opponents scored 17 or more in 74% of the games. When scoring 17 or more opponents won 96% of the games. Do we hold the Saints under 17?

That we were close.

It may be due to our ownership. I think the perennially bad teams start at the very top. To this point David Tepper has not inspired any confidence that he can get the right people in place or that he'll move on in a timely manner when it becomes obvious he has the wrong people. Watching Sean McDermott walk across the field after Buffalo's win last night is just soul crushing. That man is carved from self discipline and was on our staff. Watching Ken Dorsey's wry smile as he packed up his OC package in the booth, that man was on our staff. I didn't see Beane, but damn, that man was on our staff. Oh, and they were all on our staff in 2015. Notice any difference between Buffalo and Carolina since those departures? All the talent left the building and what was left behind and hired since is just a stinking pile of poo. What we have saps immediate hope. What we don't know about this staff or future staff saps short term hope. Overall talent, traded draft picks and coaching carousel dampens long term hope. Yeah it's a pretty dark view at the moment.

Matt Rhule gonna trip over his boner when he see's that ESPN ranking.

So… 0-2* *The Panthers were close

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Love your avatar because I'm adopting Buffalo this year. Still a Panther's fan first and always. However, have always been a McDermott fan and letting him get away when we could have cut Ron early was a huge mistake for this franchise. It certainly seems like McDermott knew where to the raid the pantry as well with so many Carolina pieces ending up in Buffalo and the franchises going in polar opposite directions. Either way, there is little to no conflict in rooting for the Bills and it'll at least provide an interesting team to follow while we suffer through this Panthers regime.

Hey look Ma I made it! Everything coming up aces!

I suppose you didn't see the off tackle run with a few minutes left in the 4th up 21 then.

Respect. I think most teams are teetering in the sense of relying on their starting QB to play well and stay healthy. We're a Baker hangnail away from PJ being #1. Ostensibly, Brady should be more fragile than Baker but Brady is quite experienced in managing risk on the field and will make sound business decisions. I tend to believe if Tom didn't think he had it anymore he would walk away, but that's my perception of how I think he should value his legacy. He may very well just be another guy that plays too long and the cliff he walks off is apparent to everyone. I think the race between the Saints and Panthers is much closer than the spread. Largely because we know what Jameis is until proven otherwise. Same argument for Rhule.

Excellent reply, and crowd sourced data (in the form of bets) tends to land fairly accurately which is why the whole system works. Largely because big money that moves lines is much more informed money than a feeling or homerism. I agree the Saints and Bucs have a wider spread of outcomes than they did just a few weeks ago, frankly so do the Panthers. No one is going to give this team juice until we prove something though. It's easy to point to the concerns with Tampa and New Orleans, but our list is pretty deep too. 1. Can Matt Rhule improve? 2. Baker, new team, coming off injury? 3. Can CMC play most/full season? 4. Does someone not named CMC/Moore become a threat? 5. O-line, we will improve enough to compete in the trenches. 6. D-line, we will be able to generate enough pass rush? 7. Jaycee Horn coming off injury, will he be what he was early last year? 8. Ordinary depth concerns any team would have. Lots of uncertainties for the Panthers and those were just off the top of my head. I'd love to see it come together this season, we have the talent to compete.

Vegas Odds for NFC South: Tampa Bay Buccaneers -280 New Orleans Saints +320 Carolina Panthers +1100 Atlanta Falcons +3500 It's the NFL, anything can happen and there are a few surprise teams every season. Vegas handicappers are right far more often than wrong.

I'd join.