rayzor

i've done half of that accidentally.

Yes he did, and like I said, he should have. His job is to get the right guys in here to carry out a winning strategy that can adapt when things go south. If things didn't go right either the plan sucks or the coaches sucked...or both. My vote is both. And both are ultimately his fault.

Crap...make the trade Robbie/y or a 2024 3rd or even 2nd rounder. The guy is good. The only missing link on this offense left. Just get him.

Saints #1 seed? Blah....

If he had the same coaching staff as before and got better, it would be easier to give him credit. He now has a better coaching staff around him. Better coaching overall has to be the result of the better coaches being brought in, correct? Who else should the credit go to? Should Rhule get the coaching credit for the better coaches he brought in? And I think that's a good thing if he does step aside and let the others do their job. Makes him a better leader. Like I've said before, the best leaders builds a team of leaders under him who do their individual jobs better than you would be able to. You come up with a macro-plan and give direction and focus and inspiration and you get out of the way. When things start to derail or the goal isn't getting met, then you step back in and get their heads right and redirect. You adapt and you help your team adapt. When things go right, you give them the credit they deserve and you don't. They do the work, you make sure they do it right. if things ultimately don't work, then it's on you for either not getting the right members of the team or giving them the direction or not adapting as needed.

They weren't pooing his post, they were pooing him. He kind of went off the rails a while back and pissed a lot of people off consistently and bragged about pulling for Brady and the Patriots over the Panthers (and also constantly threw it in people's faces that he's got a lot of money). Other people in here have a lot of money but don't constantly draw attention to it. He's been better since he came back and probably should have created a new user name and started over rather than keep the same persona or whatever. Anyways, he earned a lot of ire before and it's hard for some to get over it.

Has he shown he can do it yet?

He's done nothing that would prove us wrong.

Got DL help in the form of a guy whose been a solid run stuffer for years? I'll take it considering that's been a huge weakness of ours for years

If what you're doing results in wins, then that is valuable. Leadership and direction is what you offer. Rhule's problem is that so far it isn't working. He's trying this year with a better team of coaches under him. if he can't make this work this year, he won't be able to. This year he shows his value (or lack of) by what we see in the win column.

He's supposed to be a good leader. A good leader would do that. A good leader gets people on his team (more speaking about the coaching/leadership team) that can do their job well (hopefully better than you can do their job), give them some direction, and let them do their job. Let them figure out the best way to get it done and you get out of the way and trust the people you've put on your leadership to to get to the destination/goal you were pointing towards.

I want him to win or be gone.

Unfortunately the Panthers constantly disappoining me have made being their fan not much fun anymore. I haven't 100% given up, but these last few year have made it tough and I'm almost at the point I just want to find something else that won't be a constant disappointment. I'm giving them this year....unless they have a deep playoff run or they fire Rhule and replace him with someone who isn't going to have to take 5 years to figure out how to win, I'm probably going to move on.

Rhule is the reason I am not optimistic about this team. I think everything else it set up nicely for this to be a good team, but I've seen nothing that would indicate he knows how to win. If he gets out of the way and let's his coaches run it, they have a chance, but I don't trust Rhule.

I have no idea what to expect from this team this year. I know they could be good but I also know I don't trust Rhule's game management and I have very little confidence in this team not choking. I think they should win this, but they could just as easily be embarrassed. I do think the game will be close, much closer than it should, and my fear is Rhule gets out coached by a bad coach who is likely one foot out the door himself ...again. I will be watching and pulling for them, but my confidence level is 0.

Not if the team figures out how to start winning consistently. Winning makes everything better. That's the only thing that is going to stop the earned and deserved negativity.

2 scenarios. 1) deep run in the playoffs (Rhule keeps his job for another year) 2) winning record but no playoffs (Rhule gets canned and team is set up nice for next coach) I'm good with either.

I'm sure he's nice. I'm sure the players and coaches that would never get a chance anywhere else would die for him. That's great, but until he becomes a winning coach, none of that stuff matters. Would rather have a coach that wins consistently but was an ass over a likeable loser. If he can't do it this year, he won't.

I don't know ...I thought it was funny. Watched the whole thing. "What's with the hat? You got a Drew Brees before the hair transplant thing going on?"

I expect he will for a few games. He's always been tough, just not tough enough to keep from getting hurt.

You know two are on IR and one is on the PS, right?

it's all in the mind....

where are the wins?