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This was "The Toughest Call In Football"


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I've been looking at Cam Newton threads on other sites recently. It's a shame that no one wants to admit how good he is. Everyone is in denial it seems. Some even go as far as saying we should have taken Gabbert. ( People also said we should have traded down for The Golden Calf of Bristol )

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I've been looking at Cam Newton threads on other sites recently. It's a shame that no one wants to admit how good he is. Everyone is in denial it seems. Some even go as far as saying we should have taken Gabbert. ( People also said we should have traded down for The Golden Calf of Bristol )

You're kidding right?
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I've been looking at Cam Newton threads on other sites recently. It's a shame that no one wants to admit how good he is. Everyone is in denial it seems. Some even go as far as saying we should have taken Gabbert. ( People also said we should have traded down for The Golden Calf of Bristol )

They were in different drafts

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This is a prime example of why scouting is so important.  In this current draft, we keep hearing about how deep the WR draft class is and how some want to go elsewhere at #28 simply because we can get comparable talent later.  Maybe you can, maybe you can't.  Just because prospects may be similarly rated doesn't mean they will similarly produce in the NFL.

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