Stepping back to take a look at the new offense; staying on top of the NFC

[L-TownCat]

How can you call those plays retarded?  To me they were the most innovative and new plays in our recent history.  The offense did a lot, with less talent and a rookie QB at that.. 

 

He took one of the league's worst offenses in 2010 and transformed it into one of the top 10 offenses in 2011 with rookie quarterback, finished seventh overall in the league on offense, fifth in points scored, and set a new franchise record for total yards in a season

 

They were retarded because they took a century to develop, were far too fast paced for the shoddy defense we had behind it, and were never intended to be successful long term.  It was all a job interview/showcase for Chud to get a HC job and we all know how well that worked.

[BigBoss]

If bell starts, I truly believe Cam will get torn apart this year. Jury is still out on Chandler, I'll see what he does before making a quick call

[BigBoss]

Also for the Chud hate, our offense sure looked a lot better the that first year than last years. Not saying there were no flaws.

[Khaki Lackey]

Also for the Chud hate, our offense sure looked a lot better the that first year than last years. Not saying there were no flaws.

Well, my Chud hate comes from his insisting on running the zone read every other play in 2012 and not abandoning that until the season was already lost. Also, I think if we tried to run 2011s offense again, it wouldn't be as effective. People aren't going to be stacking the box and daring Cam to beat them with his arm anymore.

But to be fair, everyone complaining about the long developing routes..that's what we do with a Coryell style offense. You set up shots down the field with power run. If we want to run a WCO, we definitely have the wrong QB for that. Maybe KB and Underwood or King can bring the home run back.

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[davos]

Well, my Chud hate comes from his insisting on running the zone read every other play in 2012 and not abandoning that until the season was already lost. Also, I think if we tried to run 2011s offense again, it wouldn't be as effective. People aren't going to be stacking the box and daring Cam to beat them with his arm anymore.

But to be fair, everyone complaining about the long developing routes..that's what we do with a Coryell style offense. You set up shots down the field with power run. If we want to run a WCO, we definitely have the wrong QB for that. Maybe KB and Underwood or King can bring the home run back.

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I agree with that WR/route wise.  

 

Overall, I think we definitely play off a Coryell but have extra options with Cam allowing for a non-traditional approach at the same time.  Similar to what the Niners and Hawks do.  Even if the o-line struggles, we have a QB that extends the play.  

 

Thing is, we don't have a Lynch or Gore or really even a scat back.  We have a good asset in Tolbert with average RB group.  We are stuck with 2 guys for the time being and a young inexperienced o-line that scares the fans.  I'm really hoping Stewart comes back with a force this season.    

[Who Said What?]

If bell starts, I truly believe Cam will get torn apart this year. Jury is still out on Chandler, I'll see what he does before making a quick call

 

He didn't get torn apart last year.  For all of the Shula hate, he schemed very well to help both Bell and Gross last year with adjustments.  The biggest hits that Cam took last year came from the right guard position and from Gross.  There was a great deal of pressure up the middle.  The blood spitting incident from Cameron Wake was when he bull rushed Gross.  I am not blind though and I know that Bell gave up pressure.  With our QB as well as cap situation, we have to and can get by with what we have.  Gettleman turned shite to sugar last year, and we shouldn't condemn the season or make assumptions about Cam's health because we didn't bring in four OT's off the scrap heap.  I think you know how the front office felt about this year's draft picks.

[panthers55]

Well, my Chud hate comes from his insisting on running the zone read every other play in 2012 and not abandoning that until the season was already lost. Also, I think if we tried to run 2011s offense again, it wouldn't be as effective. People aren't going to be stacking the box and daring Cam to beat them with his arm anymore.

But to be fair, everyone complaining about the long developing routes..that's what we do with a Coryell style offense. You set up shots down the field with power run. If we want to run a WCO, we definitely have the wrong QB for that. Maybe KB and Underwood or King can bring the home run back.

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 Air Coryell was originally called the west coast offense until the name was used to describe Walsh's offense in the 80s..

 

 

Former coach of the St. Louis Rams, Mike Martz says "Don is the father of the modern passing game. People talk about the West Coast Offense, , but Don started the 'West Coast' decades ago and kept updating it. You look around the NFL now, and so many teams are running a version of the Coryell offense. Coaches have added their own touches, but it's still Coryell's offense. He has disciples all over the league. He changed the game."

 

 

The Coryell offense attacked vertically through seams, while the West Coast offense moved laterally as much as vertically through angles on curl and slant routes. The Coryell offense had lower completion percentages than the West Coast offense, but the returns were greater on a successful play. "The Coryell offense required more talented players, a passer who could get the ball there, and men who can really run—a lot of them," said Bill  Walsh. He said the West Coast offense was developed out of necessity to operate with less talented players.

 

 

 

The biggest differences to me are that in the WCO offense the system is important while players are interchangeable.  In the Coryell system you need great players because the players make the system not the other way around.  Last year we didn't really run a total coryell system given we were very much ball control and short passing due to the OL deficiencies instead of the quintessential Coryell system which strives to move the ball down the field in 4 or 5 plays.  It will be interesting to see if we run more downfield routes or continue to dink and dunk down the field.

[DaCityKats]

based off the route combos from last year, i think the panthers still run a coryell vertical attacking passing offense. Shula did sprinkle in some quick passes, that Chud just did not have, but for the most part, it was still mostly vertical route combos. i also remember some of the better routes this team ran where comebacks(outside/inside), seams and wheel routes.

 

i also remember the double move, or stutter and go route seemed to work really well (only remember Ginn winning on this route). with the 2 TE set, having 2 larger guys attacking the seams will do nothing but help the offense, also playing KB in the slot will allow for mismatches in the seam and middle of the field. 

 

 

edit: another factor is the WR have to win vs the coverage. what type of separation will Avant get in the Coryell offense, considering he has played in a WCO his entire career? will Shula cater his routes to where he wins in the short-intermediate aspect, and who will clear out the underneath routes, and keep the defense honest. the same 3 WRs where on the field in 3 WR sets, and the team only ran 4 WR set like 1 time. 

 

Cotchery as well, had much success in a WCO, but have no experience in  Coryell Vertical offense. 

[Mol3m4n]

As much as I hate the fact that we're paying our backfield a butt load, at least we know they will be decent. The future of our backfield scares me.

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