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The last training camp daily thread


Jeremy Igo

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10:25

Joe Person@josephperson

Hardy in pass coverage 20 yards downfield to break up a pass to Olsen.

10:25

David Newton@DNewtonespn

DE Greg Hardy.deep in coverage on TE Greg Olsen. Nice. #Panthers

10:24

Max Henson@PanthersMax

DE Greg Hardy downfield covering Greg Olsen and he gets his hand up to knock down pass.

10:24

Black & Blue Review@BlackBlueReview

Hardy about 20 yds downfield to break up pass to Olsen.

10:22

Jonathan Jones@jjones9

Turner hasn't won many against Dwan Edwards today #PanthersTC

10:20

Jonathan Jones@jjones9

AJ Klein breaks up Anderson pass for McNutt in 7s. Good ups #PanthersTC

10:19

David Newton@DNewtonespn

Rivera can't feel safe as QB in this drill with defense site line ruahing. Good thing he can still move. Hardy blowing linemen up. #Panthers

10:19

Jonathan Jones@jjones9

Folkerts with a great block on Wes Horton #PanthersTC

10:18

Jonathan Jones@jjones9

My word KK Short just busted through David Foucault in line drills.#PanthersTC

10:17

Black & Blue Review@BlackBlueReview

Dominating this drill between OL and DL right now: Turner and Short. Hoping they go against each other.

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10:13

Max Henson@PanthersMax

Avant: "That's only the second spike in my career."

10:13

Joe Person@josephperson

Avant beats Josh Thomas on a post route. Catches touchdown. Spikes ball. One-on-one drill.

10:13

David Newton@DNewtonespn

WR Jason Avant spikes ball with authority after tough catch in end zone on CB Josh Thomas. #Panthers

10:12

Max Henson@PanthersMax

Things getting feisty in 1-on-1 WR vs. CB drill. Jason Avant spikes ball after battling Josh Thomas for catch in end zone.

10:10

David Newton@DNewtonespn

The switches between Bell and Chandler we saw at LT early in camp appear over. #Panthers

10:10

Black & Blue Review@BlackBlueReview

Another day at LT for Bell. Stewart getting some snaps again with ones. And again looks good.

10:06

Joe Person@josephperson

AJ Klein working ahead of Chase Blackburn for the second consecutive day.

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10:05

Black & Blue Review@BlackBlueReview

Philly just watching punt returns this week pic.twitter.com/vM9qKilrbz

10:03

Joe Person@josephperson

Brad Nortman has not been mentioned much during this camp. But he just unleashed a 72-yard punt.

10:01

Black & Blue Review@BlackBlueReview

Cason and Benwikere returning punts today. Nortman just cranked out out of end zone, someone starts singing "Bombs Over Baghdad."

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Now Hardy almost adds an INT. It’s not just today, Hardy has been getting deeper in coverage this camp.

10:32am - 12 Aug 14

#KRAKEN is all over the field today, showing off some serious pass coverage skills. #KeepPounding

10:33am - 12 Aug 14

Hardy is a monster in coverage today. We may have found our new safety. #Panthers

10:31am - 12 Aug 14

If Kelvin is open over the middle, it's a first down. Another nice grab from cam in stride. #automatic.

10:47am - 12 Aug 14

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