They Gambled. They Lost. It's That Simple.

[Jackofalltrades]

Simply and accurately put.

[fieryprophet]

I don't think it's just a matter of not having the cap money.

 

Gettleman's biggest mistake has been his 'collaborative approach', working with Rivera and others on all team decisions.

 

Mind you, I have no problem with the approach itself, but the problem is that Rivera is a horrible talent evaluator who defends 'try harder' guys even though the reality is they're just not good enough.

 

Rivera championed guys like Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Charles Godfrey, Sione Fua, Armanti Edwards and others,  Heck, to this day he still defends them for 'doing their best" (insert Sean Connery quote here).

 

You wanna collaborate?  Fine, but collaborate with a guy who knows what he's doing.  Otherwise, you wind up like what we have now.

 

See, I think it's actually the opposite. I'm sure Rivera stands up for his guys and gives them good marks for effort but I don't think you would hear him openly lobby for better talent either. I think Rivera knew he was going into the season hamstrung and tried to do his best to build up the pieces he was left with, not necessarily the ones he wanted to be forced to use.

 

Think of the Steve Smith situation: Rivera was openly hoping Steve would be retained. It didn't happen. Steve lashed out at Rivera for not getting Gettleman to change his mind, but saved most of his ire for Gettleman. What collaboration there is, I don't think it's as mutual as might be imagined.

[Growl]

This argument looks more ridiculous every week. You now have Mr. Scot even acknowledging that this isnt the case.

Your attempt to paint yourself as the "cool headed guy dishing out truths" is mute when it's such an obvious falsehood.

It takes more than 1 thing to lead to a team getting blown out week in and week out. There isn't a "simple truth" we can just paint over everyone of the team's flaws while we stick our fingers in our ears and sing dont go breaking my heart.

As I said yesterday, there is something wrong within the bedrock of the team that it is affecting every part, and it's going to take a new staff to clear that foundation. One poor position unit doesnt lead to a team not even looking like they desire to be out on the field on a weekly basis.

When Mr. Scot can agree it's time to clean house here, I think it's high time you do as well.

[CRA]

This argument looks more ridiculous every week. You now have Mr. Scot even acknowledging that this isnt the case.

Your attempt to paint yourself as the "cool headed guy dishing out truths" is mute when it's such an obvious falsehood.

It takes more than 1 thing to lead to a team getting blown out week in and week out. There isn't a "simple truth" we can just paint over everyone of the team's flaws while we stick our fingers in our ears and sing dont go breaking my heart.

As I said yesterday, there is something wrong within the bedrock of the team that it is affecting every part, and it's going to take a new staff to clear that foundation. One poor position unit doesnt lead to a team not even looking like they desire to be out on the field on a weekly basis.

When Mr. Scot can agree it's time to clean house here, I think it's high time you do as well.

Yes but we don't have "one" poor position unit....

We have a weak OL (which means no rush attack as well as the pass issues)

We have a weak WR corp

We have weak CBs

We have weak Ss

We have weak overall STs

So I agree with you....one weak position unit doesn't do that to team. But we don't have just one

[CelibatePimp]

I know we don't have money but this alone should tell DG why teams spend lots of money on FAs or trade picks for draft position or even sign average QBs to big deals.Talent is not that easy to come by in the NFL! Hope he learns his lesson this season and will not be cheap when we have the money.

[CelibatePimp]

Yes but we don't have "one" poor position unit....

We have a weak OL (which means no rush attack as well as the pass issues)

We have a weak WR corp

We have weak CBs

We have weak Ss

We have weak overall STs

So I agree with you....one weak position unit doesn't do that to team. But we don't have just one

 

We have had RIvera for four years now, that is unacceptable. A good coach should be able to anticipate areas of weakness before they even become that. Rivera seems to think any average joe can play any position. I'm even surprised he's been in the NFL that long.

[Fan01]

I fully agree. 

 

Although I still want Shula to be fired.  Not because of any one thing he's done wrong but I've come to the same conclusion Zod had when we first hired Shula.  He's just not a good OC.  Never has been.

 

Even if we had all the talent in the world, I'd still want someone else.

 

I also wonder how the season would have played out had Hardy not been forced to sit out?  I can't help but see the domino effect.

 

No pass rush = no pressure = secondary sucking = offensive on field more = our O-line on the field more = Cam getting killed

 

It's all just been a giant run away snowball going downhill and it's still picking up speed.

 

 

[fieryprophet]

This argument looks more ridiculous every week. You now have Mr. Scot even acknowledging that this isnt the case.

Your attempt to paint yourself as the "cool headed guy dishing out truths" is mute when it's such an obvious falsehood.

It takes more than 1 thing to lead to a team getting blown out week in and week out. There isn't a "simple truth" we can just paint over everyone of the team's flaws while we stick our fingers in our ears and sing dont go breaking my heart.

As I said yesterday, there is something wrong within the bedrock of the team that it is affecting every part, and it's going to take a new staff to clear that foundation. One poor position unit doesnt lead to a team not even looking like they desire to be out on the field on a weekly basis.

When Mr. Scot can agree it's time to clean house here, I think it's high time you do as well.

 

I'm sorry, I'm supposed to take Mr. Scot's assessment as infallible truth? Did I miss that memo? I respect his opinion because like so precious few Huddlers he actually uses valid reasoning and good football sense to makes his points but that doesn't mean I have to agree or won't have counterpoints. (No offense to you, Mr. Scot.)

 

And I am not remotely saying their aren't myriad other issues going on, but it's near impossible to get a proper assessment of what to find fault with when such a fundamental aspect of the team is failing. Offensive line isn't as important as a quarterback, but it's damn close.

[Mr. Scot]

Is Rivera lobbying for bad talent?

Or is he just giving PC coach talk with the slop around him. RR is a smart DC. Being that he knows crappy OL players....his job has always been to attack those weak players. I highly doubt RR thinks they are good.

I think he is a coach who talks up his players bc he thinks that is what he has to do IMO

 

He's not 'lobbying for bad talent'.

 

He doesn't know good talent from bad talent.  He thinks 'effort' guys are good enough.

 

Rivera has always talked up guys that 'did their best', and that was even before Gettleman got here.  Heck, this past offseason, Gettleman let go of some guys that Rivera had publicly praised (Sione Fua and Captain Munnerlyn, for example).

 

Likewise, look at his coaching hires.  GM's allow coaches to pick their staffs, so Mike Shula, Richard Rodgers and others are all Rivera.

 

Gettleman's mistake was giving Rivera any say in the roster at all.

[Growl]

I'm sorry, I'm supposed to take Mr. Scot's assessment as infallible truth? Did I miss that memo? I respect his opinion because like so precious few Huddlers he actually uses valid reasoning and good football sense to makes his points but that doesn't mean I have to agree or won't have counterpoints. (No offense to you, Mr. Scot.)

And I am not remotely saying their aren't myriad other issues going on, but it's near impossible to get a proper assessment of what to find fault with when such a fundamental aspect of the team is failing. Offensive line isn't as important as a quarterback, but it's damn close.

I'm saying you're the last man standing and your continued quest to defend RonCo. at any cost needs to be evaluated. Don't be a Colin cowherd.

[Mr. Scot]

See, I think it's actually the opposite. I'm sure Rivera stands up for his guys and gives them good marks for effort but I don't think you would hear him openly lobby for better talent either. I think Rivera knew he was going into the season hamstrung and tried to do his best to build up the pieces he was left with, not necessarily the ones he wanted to be forced to use.

 

Think of the Steve Smith situation: Rivera was openly hoping Steve would be retained. It didn't happen. Steve lashed out at Rivera for not getting Gettleman to change his mind, but saved most of his ire for Gettleman. What collaboration there is, I don't think it's as mutual as might be imagined.

 

See above.

 

The problem with Rivera is that his talent evaluation skills are all but nonexistent.

 

Look at the guys he championed even before Gettleman got here.  Charles Godfrey's huge contract came in part because Rivera liked him so much.

 

You want further proof, look at his coaching choices.  The GM has no say in those.

 

A defensive coordinator doesn't need to know how to make good roster decisions.  A head coach does.

 

Rivera can't.

 

[Growl]

Yes but we don't have "one" poor position unit....

We have a weak OL (which means no rush attack as well as the pass issues)

We have a weak WR corp

We have weak CBs

We have weak Ss

We have weak overall STs

So I agree with you....one weak position unit doesn't do that to team. But we don't have just one[/quote

Aside from the fact that our WR's and CB's have been a number of notches above weak most weeks, this argument falls under the weight of the notion that most of these players were given jobs by Ron, fought for by Ron, or were in charge of being developed by this guy named Ron.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm sorry, I'm supposed to take Mr. Scot's assessment as infallible truth? Did I miss that memo? I respect his opinion because like so precious few Huddlers he actually uses valid reasoning and good football sense to makes his points but that doesn't mean I have to agree or won't have counterpoints. (No offense to you, Mr. Scot.)

 

And I am not remotely saying their aren't myriad other issues going on, but it's near impossible to get a proper assessment of what to find fault with when such a fundamental aspect of the team is failing. Offensive line isn't as important as a quarterback, but it's damn close.

 

None taken. 

 

I don't ever expect anyone to just take my word for it.  I'm just another fan whose opinion is only as good as the weight you give it.

 

I believe what I believe and will defend it, but I can be wrong just like anyone else.

 

(see my record on first rounders over the past three years)

 

[IamSoClutch]

DG gets at least one more season where $26+ million in salary isn't unused due to dead money

Just one more?