SuperCam Detractors... answers needed...

[PantherDynasty]

EDIT: Fact is, I love Cam and think he is above average, but if anyone says Andrew Luck isn't elite, they clearly haven't watched him play.

[carolinarolls]

It's strange to see how many people there are out there who literally have nothing better to do than root against a player on their own team.

Almost as strange as people spending time and effort and using every favorable stat, pseudo-fact and transitive property conceivable to defend a player already on the team.

Always makes me wonder who they are trying so hard to convince.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

Why dont you people just get it?! Cam is garbage, will always be garbage. He is regressing in every possible way. Hes not even worth the roster spot for a vet minimum contract, let alone a mega deal.

Go back to saints report, please

[FugginPoo]

They should've, at the expense of the defense short term, built an offensive core around Cam for the long term. This means Gross long term replacement before he retired should've been on the roster along with WR.

[Happy Panther]

Peyton Manning was trash after 4 years. 

 

Great post except your whole premise is garbage

[Mr Mojo Risin]

???

over the span of Manning's first 5 seasons (1998-2002), Manning was:

#1 in passing yds (Favre #2)

#1 in passing TDs (Favre #2)

#4 in most wins (Favre #1)

#5 in passer rating (Favre was #13)

Manning:

Year 1 - #3 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #23 QB rating

Year 2 - #3 in passing yds, #3 in pass TDs, #4 QB rating

Year 3 - #1 in passing yds, #1 in pass TDs, #6 QB rating

Year 4 - #2 in passing yds, #5 in pass TDs, #8 QB rating

Year 5 - #3 in passing yds, #2 in pass TDs, #5 QB rating

compare to Cam:

Year 1 - #10 in passing yds, #11 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 2 - #13 in passing yds, #21 in pass TDs, #15 QB rating

Year 3 - #15 in passing yds, #12 in pass TDs, #16 QB rating

Year 4 - #14 in passing yds, #19 in pass TDs, #27 QB rating

Now compare peyton mannings offenses to cams offenses. Manning has always had a better supporting cast than cam has.

[Dexterity]

As others have stated, comparing the raw numbers of players of different eras is silly.

If you play that game, Geno Smith is better than Roger Staubach or Joe Namath.

The reality is that rules changes in favor of the offense have made it easier for QB's to succeed. There are QB's playing today who could not have taken the field 15 and especially 20 plus years ago.

The only thing you can do is to compare players to their contemporaries.

In his third year, Peyton Manning led the entire NFL in completions, yards and touchdowns. His admittedly terrible 4th season was almost a carbon copy of Newton's BEST season in terms of production.

Peyton lead the entire NFL in turnovers his first 4 seasons. Why do you guys keep failing to mention that? Nobody has ever had that many turnovers in any 4 year span in NFL history.

[Dexterity]

Great post except your whole premise is garbage

Sarcasm.

[Happy Panther]

Sarcasm.

oh lol

[rmoneyg35]

Do people remember what the NFL was like before all the rule changes in favor of passing offense? Back then any completion % over 60 was good back then, now it's the floor. If you started a full season you were almost guaranteed to throw 10 picks. Completely different eras for passing offenses can't be compared.

I was wondering when someone was going to talk about how different the NFL was back then compared to today. Heck just in the last five years or so the game has changed the rules dramatically to where you can't hit a QB and a CB has lost a lot of liberties because of new rules.

[CharlottePanther]

I am so certain Cam is NOT the answer at QB id be willing to let him walk and risk him becoming a superstar elsewhere, yes hes that bad and I know for certain he wouldnt become a great player elsewhere. His mechanics are terrible, his complete unwillingness to throw the ball away, his terrible pocket presence and his terrible deep ball, he is an awful awful QB and I hope Gettleman has the guts to let him walk and we draft a QB in the 2nd round.

Before you say "but but QBs are hard to find in the draft." Ok, so the solution is paying a below mediocre QB like Cam 100 plus million?! How about we save the 80 mill and draft a QB on the cheap in later rounds.

Dalton, Kaeprnick, Wilson. ALL drafted after the first round and I would trade Cam for any of them in a split second

[CharlottePanther]

Now compare peyton mannings offenses to cams offenses. Manning has always had a better supporting cast than cam has.

I guarantee if Manning played for our offense exactly as it is now, we would have a winning record.

[Marc Anthony]

I guarantee if Manning played for our offense exactly as it is now, we would have a winning record.

Doubtful, if Peyton took as many shots as Cam has, he would be in a body cast. Just the hit Cam to the face yesterday, Manning would be out for the season.

[Dexterity]

I guarantee if Manning played for our offense exactly as it is now, we would have a winning record.

Peyton Manning would be a paraplegic by now if he played for Carolina.