Gary Kubiak

[JawnyBlaze]

I totally agree with you.

 

 

 

I'm ready to go "all in" and see what we have.  We can watch him play out his 5th year, and either get an extension working, or tag him, and give him another year.

 

This brings up a good point about whether Rivera will be retained.  Does Gettleman have enough forethought to realize that we desperately need to remove any doubt about Cam's future as our QB next year?  Unless Gettleman has already seen enough to make that call, we absolutely require a change in staff in order to evaluate whether we wanna make Cam one of the richest players in the league after next year.  I know I've seen enough over his first 3.25 seasons, but it also ain't my money.  If we keep Rivera, and DEFINITELY if we keep Shula, we will be in the same situation next year with half the fans saying "If only they'd give Cam the support every QB deserves..." and the other half saying "Hah, I called it from the beginning.  Cam's a bust and would have never amounted to anything anyway..."

 

I have to believe Gettleman sees it this way and will make the change.

 

[jtm]

There is a 0% chance Rivera is fired. He was coach of the year last year and received an extension. Shula will be the fall guy.

[Ruff]

The shanahan/Kubiak offense is a WCO, but it's also different than it. The zone blocking scheme and naked bootlegs that move the pocket are all key elements of it.

The offense always has one of the best running games and highest % of play action passes.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

 Cam is being wasted under Rivera/Shula.

 

This^^^

 

[Ruff]

I've been a big Dennison proponent over the years. He's a unheralded mind in this league.

Kubiak's success has been when they're together and I think they simply know how to install an effective offense.

The thing is though, I am weary of GK being an Offense version of Rivera and they also have a rather thick WC playbook. I think we could transition back but don't know if a Kubiak-Dennison combo would be an ideal fit. Intriguing though.

Dennison is one of the best OL minds out there IMO. It's worth looking at the years Rick was with and not with the Texans. Quite telling in my opinion.

Same could be said of kyle shanahan when he was OC of Houston.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'd love to see McD stay, but I wanna see some 3-4 hybrid stuff mixed in.

The real question is, how much better can Cam Newton make Gary Kubiak look than Matt Schaub could?

A lot better I suspect.

A Kubiak may be as far "out of the box" that JR/Gettlemen might go anyway.

We'll look what he's done with Flacco.

Flacco is as efficient as he's ever been.

[Mr. Scot]

We'll look what he's done with Flacco.

Flacco is as efficient as he's ever been.

 

Definitely. 

 

But you know what part of the article linked in the OP caught my eye?

 

These bits...

 

The running game has been the most explosive in the NFL. The offensive line has gone from the league's worst to one of the best.

How have the Ravens done it? Kubiak's fingerprints are all over the new-look offense. His emphasis on more efficient passing and his style of zone blocking has the Ravens on track to ending a stretch of 16 straight seasons without a top-10 offense. That's tied for the fifth-longest streak in NFL history.

 

The Ravens have not allowed a sack in four of six games this season, and they are averaging 3.1 yards before contact (sixth-best in the NFL). That's a reflection of the job being done by the offensive line. Flacco is barely getting hit, and running backs aren't getting touched at the line of scrimmage. This is much different from a year ago, when Flacco was sacked a career-worst 48 times and running backs averaged two yards before contact (30th in the NFL).

 

That's not to say I think he could work miracles with our current OL, but obviously their Uglys look a lot better this year than last.

 

(granted, bringing Juan Castillo aboard likely helps a lot too)

[davos]

Same could be said of kyle shanahan when he was OC of Houston.

 

Yeah but also, the success and OL quality seems to improve everywhere Dennison goes.  Stout line and running game.  We're talking 90s Broncos, Texans once with Arian until this year, and now Baltimore.   

 

Not to mention, he's proven of being an effective ST, QB, OC, and OL coach...I just think he's due to become an OC again and what's interesting is that he played defense when he was young.   

 

Low sack totals, high YPC, and it's a WCO.  

 

Concerning Kyle--I like him more than a Pep Hamilton.   

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah but also, the success and OL quality seems to improve everywhere Dennison goes.  Stout line and running game.  We're talking 90s Broncos, Texans once with Arian until this year, and now Baltimore.   

 

Not to mention, he's proven of being an effective ST, QB, OC, and OL coach...I just think he's due to become an OC again and what's interesting is that he played defense when he was young.   

 

Low sack totals, high YPC, and it's a WCO.  

 

Concerning Kyle--I like him more than a Pep Hamilton.   

 

I haven't watched the Ravens enough to know if they use the kind of 'cut blocking' schemes that the Broncos and Falcons used to get ripped for, but the Texans under Kubiak did.

 

You comfortable with that?

[davos]

I haven't watched the Ravens enough to know if they use the kind of 'cut blocking' schemes that the Broncos and Falcons used to get ripped for, but the Texans under Kubiak did.

 

You comfortable with that?

 

I don't know actually.  Haven't noticed it much from when I've seen the Ravens this year.  

[Mr. Scot]

I don't know actually.  Haven't noticed it much from when I've seen the Ravens this year.  

 

Likely makes a difference that they're being coached by Juan Castillo, not Alex Gibbs.

 

[magnus]

Gotta love retreads.

He should certainly be in the mix in the unlikely event Richardson hands Rivera 15 million dollars to leave Carolina.

Which is just something I can't see happening.  Might some changes come? Sure.  But that's a lot to deal with, and JR's had to hear all year about Smitty getting paid to be with someone else.

 

 

I don't know if I'd run the WCO here (that's a separate thread, but, not a good fit), but I like the McCarthy and Andy Reid flavors better at this point (i.e., more spread, more progressive, less dependent on base personnel, packaged plays, etc). 

 

I don't mind Kubiak himself.  Fired because of one rotten year. But, Gary didn't have great teams until he had Wade Phillips' defenses.  If you're banking on this defense being good, then not that big a deal, the GM will advocate to have strengths stay strong on D, but otherwise your counterpoint at DC really has to be a good hire. 

 

I also wouldn't put an amazing amount into Kubiak getting Dennison, others.  The Ravens can be more accomodating than other teams, but they'll still want to protect their own interests first, and if they want Dennison, they can block him. There aren't a ton of WCO teams turning players over, so like with any prospect, it matters who he could pull together.

[Mr. Scot]

Which is just something I can't see happening.  Might some changes come? Sure.  But that's a lot to deal with, and JR's had to hear all year about Smitty getting paid to be with someone else.

 

I don't know if I'd run the WCO here (that's a separate thread, but, not a good fit), but I like the McCarthy and Andy Reid flavors better at this point (i.e., more spread, more progressive, less dependent on base personnel, packaged plays, etc). 

 

I don't mind Kubiak himself.  Fired because of one rotten year. But, Gary didn't have great teams until he had Wade Phillips' defenses.  If you're banking on this defense being good, then not that big a deal, the GM will advocate to have strengths stay strong on D, but otherwise your counterpoint at DC really has to be a good hire. 

 

I also wouldn't put an amazing amount into Kubiak getting Dennison, others.  The Ravens can be more accomodating than other teams, but they'll still want to protect their own interests first, and if they want Dennison, they can block him. There aren't a ton of WCO teams turning players over, so like with any prospect, it matters who he could pull together.

 

How would you feel about Spagnuolo?

 

My sense is that with nost OC/DC promotions, teams tend to let their guy take one coach with him.  The Chargers, for example, let Rivera have Chudzinski but blocked him from taking Steve Wilks.  When Chud left, he took Scott Turner and Bobby Babich with him, though neither was an actual position coach. 

 

The Ravens? They let Jim Caldwell have Teryl Austin (might regret that now).  Technically you could say they lost three positions in that deal since Caldwell was playing two roles (OC and QB coach)..

 

Generally speaking, I'd say asking a team to give up both their OC and their QB coach in the same year is a tall order, especially given they lost both in one just a year before.  It's conceivable if the team has a lot of respect for Kubiak.  Factor in also that both Kubiak and Dennison have only been in two for one year.  Conceivable, but not something I'd want to count on.

 

If it were a choice between Dennison or Spagnuolo, no brainer.  I take Dennison.

 

If he can't score Dennison though, there's still decent odds that either Marty Mornhinweg or Marc Trestman (or both) will be looking for new jobs next year.  You could also conceivably go for Bill Musgrave (boy wouldn't that be interesting) or maybe Clyde Christensen (not that experienced).

[magnus]

Spags?  As DC?  I guess he'd be more free to go, same as Chud or other guys with that bizarre "special assistant" type role.  He's been a disaster at times, minimal tape as a full-on DC, but there's some continuity there, running the Jim Johnson stuff that McDermott does, and he's due for something good to happen.  If the theoretical new head coach was a taskmaster and involved in all phases, maybe, because Spags is a spazz (at least, via Saints players) who no one liked. 

 

But, I also see there's a lot of buzz around Spags going back to NYG too.  Seems they're not that happy with Fewell.  Giants players must already be used to dealing with a pain in the butt coach. 

 

The Chargers didn't let Carolina have Chud.  Chud didn't renew the year before, so he came free. Shula did the same thing, where as most assistants renew with a year left.  That's the only way Rivera got either guy.   Which, is a discouraging thing of reading a lot of reactions to reading a coach's former history (especially on tenured Carolina coaches a year or two in), is that most people don't seem to grasp that most coaches get fired all the time. 

 

 

Kubiak and Morhinweg would be OK because Kubiak would call it.   Still not totally sure what happened in the Andy Reid camp - which it seems to have worked out fine for KC - that Childress and MM were available but Pederson is OC, Childress is one of those 'special projects' guys and MM was set adrift.  Mornhinweg, it's hard to argue a ton of success in NYJ.   But he's had only so much to work with, so is he a guy who does well with a good WCO coach above him only?