Marty Hurney on Cam Newton

[bLACKpANTHER]

I was just picking my daughter up from the bus stop and flipping between to SVP and Russilo and the local radio station. Doc Walker had Marty Hurney on and were talking about what it's like to be a GM etc. THIS IS JUST A QUICK WRITE UP OF WHAT I HEARD.. thought you guys would like it:

 

Hurney talked about the struggles on our O-line because Gross and Wharton's departure and also Hardy's predicament. Talked about the trenches and how it doesn't matter if you have Peyton back there- you need to be stout up front.

 

yada yada, typical stuff.. but then they asked him about the QB position and Hurney talked about Cam being a "Quarterback who is an Athlete - NOT an Athlete who plays Quarterback." He had high praise for Cam citing this season earlier when "we wouldn't let him run the read option and kept him in the pocket" how he stood in there and was a pocket passer- and was efficient at it. Hurney said he wasnt a fan of the read option and that Cam can be like Rodgers or whoever, that has the mobility to create if there is nothing in the passing game.

 

He also told a story about when he was looking at drafting Cam and went to his pro day and got there early, he saw a couple of the Auburn WRs that Cam would throw to that day and when Cam walked in the doors- they all just flocked to him and really respected the guy- a true leader. Then he said he spent time with his family for a whole day to just talk with them. His dad told Marty a story that when Cam and his brother were playing together in High-school, it was a big game and they were down in the 4th qtr and ready to punch it in to take the lead on the 1 yard line to end the game. Cam's brother (the center) and Cam botched the snap, fumbled and lost the ball and the game. On the way home the car ride was quiet but when they got home Cam's dad told their mom to go upstairs to bed and that he and the boys were going to sleep on the wood floor that night and figure out what went wrong and how to get to the bottom of it to fix it. Hurney said- that right there made him totally aware of the household he was brought up in and knew what kind of person Cam was- regardless of what all the media was saying at the time.

 

They wrapped up with RG3 questions and i tuned out, but it was pretty interesting.. wished they asked him about our RBs though.. lol

[Darth Biscuit]

Huh... I agree with Hurndog.  They need to let Cam be a QB who is mobile, not a mobile QB.

 

He plays better that way, and that's when the offense started coming apart, when they "turned him loose" or whatever.

[Dexterity]

Huh... I agree with Hurndog. They need to let Cam be a QB who is mobile, not a mobile QB.

He plays better that way, and that's when the offense started coming apart, when they "turned him loose" or whatever.

Same thing in 2012...

Chud went full retardo with the read option the first half of the season.

[teeray]

I am a believer in the read option, but Steve Logan was talking about it the other day and brought up an interesting point.

He talked about when he was QB coach in Tampa with Josh Freeman the offensive coordinator wanted to incorporate the read option for certain situations like the red zone and short yardage.

The upper echelon of the Front Office (either the GM or the owner) stepped in and told the coaches "no". He said it ticked him off that front office was interfering with coaching.

He thinks that is going with other teams as well where they want to run more of it but the guys upstairs are forcing teams to not use it as much. He thinks they feel they have too much money invested in the QBS that they don't want coaches running it.

He then went on the say, in his opinion, QBS are in more danger of getting seriously hurt in the pocket than when scrambling or running

[Daeavorn]

I am a believer in the read option, but Steve Logan was talking about it the other day and brought up an interesting point.

He talked about when he was QB coach in Tampa with Josh Freeman the offensive coordinator wanted to incorporate the read option for certain situations like the red zone and short yardage.

The upper echelon of the Front Office (either the GM or the owner) stepped in and told the coaches "no".

He thinks that is going with other teams as well where they want to run more of it but the guys upstairs are forcing teams to not use it as much.

He then went on the say, in his opinion, QBS are in more danger of getting seriously hurt in the pocket than when scrambling or running

 

I don't know nearly as much as some of you guys, but I will say that I never see Cam get plowed like he does in the pocket when hes running. Sure he gets HIT but it doesn't look nearly as bad as some of those sacks he takes.

 

Also for reference see Cutler get sacked on Monday's game. Just damn.

[teeray]

I don't know nearly as much as some of you guys, but I will say that I never see Cam get plowed like he does in the pocket when hes running. Sure he gets HIT but it doesn't look nearly as bad as some of those sacks he takes.

Also for reference see Cutler get sacked on Monday's game. Just damn.

Logan was talking about when QBS scrambled they absorb what I think he referred to as an angled tackle, where they are usually falling away from the defender and absorb the hit.

Think of it like a boxer who might take a hit but is moving his head away from the punch because he sees it. It usually doesn't do much damage. The knock out punches are usually the hits he doesn't see and his head isn't moving or his head is moving into the punch.

He said in the pocket they are stationary and when they get hit their body takes more damage because the QB is stationary, whereas on a scramble he is usually moving away from the tackle.

[2jakefansinva]

in a discussion about meddling owners.................

 

it's only fitting that bob griffen's name would come up.

[rayzor]

cam is better when in the pocket, but when he is in the pocket he should have the freedom to make zomething out of nothing with his legs or use them to take advantage of holes he sees.

imo, thd read option should be used, but used sparingly....not just because of any safety factor,but because i think it limits his overall production and growth. read option should be a tool in the toolbox, not the toolbox itself.

[CelibatePimp]

Interesting...

[London Loves Luke]

If you haven't yet read Steve Young's take on mobile quarterbacks you definitely should: http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/11/21/steve-young-and-the-art-of-molding-a-mobile-quarterback/

Mainly focuses on kaepernick and Wilson but there's definite truths in there for Cam too.

Cam's definitely on his way to becoming a true triple threat QB, the thing I'd like him to get better at is throwing on the run like Wilson or Rodgers. He's much better then these two at making yards with his legs and he's got a stronger arm then both. But the accuracy improvement we've seen this year needs to come together with his movement and then he'll be able to really extend plays.

The criticism that comes his way that he holds onto the ball too long isn't really true, it's that he holds onto the ball while staying in the same spot, and hopefully we see the pocket mobility part of his game improve.

[CamMoon]

The GM that drafted Cam is high on Cam. Shocking

 

 

They should have asked him what he was smoking when he gave Deangelo Williams 45 million dollars.

[Mr. Scot]

I am a believer in the read option, but Steve Logan was talking about it the other day and brought up an interesting point.

He talked about when he was QB coach in Tampa with Josh Freeman the offensive coordinator wanted to incorporate the read option for certain situations like the red zone and short yardage.

The upper echelon of the Front Office (either the GM or the owner) stepped in and told the coaches "no". He said it ticked him off that front office was interfering with coaching.

He thinks that is going with other teams as well where they want to run more of it but the guys upstairs are forcing teams to not use it as much. He thinks they feel they have too much money invested in the QBS that they don't want coaches running it.

He then went on the say, in his opinion, QBS are in more danger of getting seriously hurt in the pocket than when scrambling or running

There's a bit of fallacy to this though.

First of all, you don't have to run the read option to take advantage of a mobile quarterback skills. There are other offenses (the West Coast for example) that are arguably more effective.

Second, if you check the stats, you'll find that on pretty much an annual basis, mobile quarterbacks actually tend to get hit more frequently than pocket passers. This has bern true for a while now.

Why? Because the best way to protect yourself isn't to run away from defenders. It's to throw the ball before defenders get close. It's the guys who make the quickest decisions that take the fewest hits, not the fastest runners.

Bottom line though, regardless of whether you have a mobile quarterback or not, when it comes to protecting him the best investment you can make is a solid offensive line.

[AceBoogie]

The GM that drafted Cam is high on Cam. Shocking

They should have asked him what he was smoking when he gave Deangelo Williams 45 million dollars.

How dare he pay probably the best player on the team at the time.

[TheRed]

How dare he pay probably the best player on the team at the time.

 

Hurney was just desperately trying to save his job at that point.

 

Though for all the poo fans here give Hurney, it's strange that many in our fan base have basically forgotten JR gutting the team in 2010.