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Time to cut DeAngelo Williams.

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You are getting to the right point on Tolbert. He's a short-yardage back. I'd argue Fozzy is ideal as a change-of-pace scat back - somebody you wouldn't give more than 10-20% of carries to. The one game we gave Fozzy a substantial workload (against Cincinnati), he averaged 2.8 yards and had a long of 6 yards.

The problem therein is that, if (god forbid) Stewart goes down, that's what we're stuck with - a purely short-yardage back and a scat back. DeAngelo Williams, for whatever it's worth, is average if he has a reasonably good line. He's not a starter, and we are really in trouble for paying him like one. But, as a starter, I'd take him over Fozzy or Tolbert.

That being said, if he does come back, I wouldn't give him more than 15% of carries. Jonathan Stewart should get the vast majority of our designed running plays, Tolbert should get the short-yardage plays along with screens, and DeAngelo Williams is ideal as a change-of-pace guy. If the line plays like they did towards the end of the year, and you beat the other team up with Stewart and Tolbert the whole game, I bet you DeAngelo could break off a long one. He'd also be an ideal mentor for Fozzy in that regard.

I didn't say Fozzy should be a starter, he should be part of a committee.

Williams isn't an ideal change of pace guy at 32.

Williams at 32 simply takes reps that are better used by Cam, Stewart, Tolbert, Fozzy if everyone is healthy. One ball.

And Williams is comically expensive based on his 32 yr old ability

And I appreciate what guys have done but I am not like many here.....and don't want to hang on to guys when there time is at the end. Williams' time is clearly up. Unless you just like having guys on the roster who did cool things long ago. His position is one that simply means they can't be career team guys unless you want to hurt your team

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Say 2 million.

Cut Tolbert.

Low end free agent or late round pick. (I would be ecstatic with Gurley.)

I'd still rather have youth with potential at RB than a 32 yr old on his last legs.

Based on history 28 likely a won't stay healthy....we need talent in our backfield. No need delaying the look and Williams represents that IMO

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I didn't say Fozzy should be a starter, he should be part of a committee.

Williams isn't an ideal change of pace guy at 32.

Williams at 32 simply takes reps that are better used by Cam, Stewart, Tolbert, Fozzy if everyone is healthy. One ball.

And Williams is comically expensive based on his 32 yr old ability

And I appreciate what guys have done but I am not like many here.....and don't want to hang on to guys when there time is at the end. Williams' time is clearly up. Unless you just like having guys on the roster who did cool things long ago. His position is one that simply means they can't be career team guys unless you want to hurt your team

 

I understand that. But if Jonathan Stewart goes down, he would be the starter, correct?

I don't think anyone is seriously arguing his contract is good. But we are stuck with it and I'm suggesting a way he could  be useful. Do you not think he might be able to get past a beaten-back line at the end of games? He's done it as recently as 2013, while actually starting and getting the brunt of carries. Plug a fresh DeAngelo Williams in against a worn line and I really think the results could be good. Not worth his contract, but better than nothing and the average scatback.

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I understand that. But if Jonathan Stewart goes down, he would be the starter, correct?

I don't think anyone is seriously arguing his contract is good. But we are stuck with it and I'm suggesting a way he could be useful. Do you not think he might be able to get past a beaten-back line at the end of games? He's done it as recently as 2013, while actually starting and getting the brunt of carries. Plug a fresh DeAngelo Williams in against a worn line and I really think the results could be good. Not worth his contract, but better than nothing and the average scatback.

No, I think we would implement a RB committee if Stewart went down

An average RB was Fozzy last year and was noticeably better than Williams with his touches. So why not add to our backfield with a young guy instead.

Williams is at the age where you can't go back and couple years and say he did this or that so he can still play

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First off, let's not forget that NO ONE ran well behind our line til the last 5 games. So let's not blame DWill for not shining. Cuz he looked good at the end of the year behind the same line Stewy was using to look good.

Second. If he takes a big ol' pay cut, he will probably be here next year. If he doesn't take a pay cut, he probably won't be here next year. It really is just that simple.

Lastly. Funny ha ha how CRA disappears, but start a DWill thread and low and behold.

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First off, let's not forget that NO ONE ran well behind our line til the last 5 games. So let's not blame DWill for not shining. Cuz he looked good at the end of the year behind the same line Stewy was using to look good.

Second. If he takes a big ol' pay cut, he will probably be here next year. If he doesn't take a pay cut, he probably won't be here next year. It really is just that simple.

Lastly. Funny ha ha how CRA disappears, but start a DWill thread and low and behold.

Looking "good" may not be accurate.

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No, I think we would implement a RB committee if Stewart went down

An average RB was Fozzy last year and was noticeably better than Williams with his touches. So why not add to our backfield with a young guy instead.

Williams is at the age where you can't go back and couple years and say he did this or that so he can still play

A RB committee of Fozzy, Tolbert, and some random guy we found on the streets would suck.

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Williams is not better than Stewart. Isn't suppose to be so it isn't even a diss. He also isn't better than Fozzy who himself isn't spectacular.

Fresh leg defense? Williams had fresh legs to open up the season. He was an average RB. Stewart was an above average RB when ready. It really isn't worth a debate at this stage. Fozzy also showed noticeable better burst and running.

Claiming Williams is the best RB would be on par to claiming Cotchery was our best WR last year. He had stuff between the ears our other WRs didn't, experience, etc that made him better in some aspects......but not as threat on the field. 2 rookies were better in that regard

And this is why people get labeled as "haters".....bc outlandish claims are made about Williams and then reality has to be brought in. He isn't our best RB now, wasnt last season and wasnt a top 5 RB in 2013.

I was just trolling. Knew I could get a rise out of you.

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A RB committee of Fozzy, Tolbert, and some random guy we found on the streets would suck.

But...that is exactly what some around here want us to go to war with.

I get that DWill makes too much money. So fuging what. That contract was not forced on him. He would have been an idiot not to sign it.

IMO, I would like to see what he has left. So...if Gman decides to keep him, I am a happy guy. If we decide to part ways, I am going to be a worried guy. And I hate worrying.

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First off, let's not forget that NO ONE ran well behind our line til the last 5 games. So let's not blame DWill for not shining. Cuz he looked good at the end of the year behind the same line Stewy was using to look good.

Second. If he takes a big ol' pay cut, he will probably be here next year. If he doesn't take a pay cut, he probably won't be here next year. It really is just that simple.

Lastly. Funny ha ha how CRA disappears, but start a DWill thread and low and behold.

Stewart looked strong all year....he got more touches later

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But...that is exactly what some around here want us to go to war with.I get that DWill makes too much money. So fuging what. That contract was not forced on him. He would have been an idiot not to sign it.IMO, I would like to see what he has left. So...if Gman decides to keep him, I am a happy guy. If we decide to part ways, I am going to be a worried guy. And I hate worrying.

Yes, Cam, Stewart, Fozzy, Tolbert, drafted RB......isn't a bad rush attack.

Not sure the fixation with a 32 yr old RB is

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